Linked by Amjith Ramanujam on Sun 21st Sep 2008 06:46 UTC, submitted by Rahul
Linux Greg KH, Linux kernel developer delivered a keynote in the Linux plumbing conference about the health of the ecosystem. His message was essentially that distributions that don't contribute to the ecosystem have to rely on the whims of others which is unhealthy for them. Here is an introduction the development model and some interesting statistics about the Linux kernel code. Update by TH: Rebuttals are appearing all over the web, like this one by Canonical's Matt Zimmerman ("He's refuting a claim which has, quite simply, never been made. [...] When this sort of thing happens on mailing lists, it's called trolling."), or this one by another Canonical employee, Dustin Kirkland.
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Rant disguised as keynote
by kragil on Sun 21st Sep 2008 09:56 UTC
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Just a few notes:

- Novell employees are eager to start open source bar fights ( Meeks, de Icaza come to mind )
- Novell has a lot of problems with "open source morality" of their own (I won't point fingers ;)
- GregKHs view of the "ecosystem" is twisted. "Plumbing" would be the right word
- Negativity helps no one
- Canonical is tiny, if you took relative numbers you could say the same for Google or Xandros, Archos .. the list goes on for ages. They just don't scare Novell.
- Ubuntus strength is not their kernel work
- Being at the whim of others might not be such a bad thing after all and might have worked for Canonical

And finally it is no wonder that a company like Novell has a attitude like "don't take our code and don't contribute" .. they just don't understand open source.
Red hat is on a very different level in that regard.

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RE: Rant disguised as keynote
by KAMiKAZOW on Sun 21st Sep 2008 13:24 in reply to "Rant disguised as keynote"
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Ubuntus strength is not their kernel work

What are Ubuntu's strengths?

Novell has a attitude like "don't take our code and don't contribute" .. they just don't understand open source.

Novell does not understand open source? Why is Novell the second largest Kernel contributor then? Why is openSUSE the distribution of choice for KDE developers? (As for example seen here: )

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RE[2]: Rant disguised as keynote
by irbis on Sun 21st Sep 2008 18:35 in reply to "RE: Rant disguised as keynote"
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What are Ubuntu's strengths?

Well, obviously their GUI and usability work, especially that related to GNOME. You cannot concentrate on everything and be good at it all, you have to concentrate. Although - according to many - Ubuntu is already spreading its focus in all too many directions.

But I suppose there are always people who have nothing better to do than whine, what ever you choose to do...

Also, like many have already pointed out, and Shuttleworth is always ready to admit, Ubuntu is only building on the well-tested Debian base. Lots of the basic work, like the work related to kernel etc. is already done for them by Debian. Debian base is very good and there's no need to reinvent the wheel in that sense. But what Debian lacked, traditionally, was related to its desktop usability, and that is the field that Ubuntu has concentrated on. Why should they reinvent the wheel and start competing with Debian by concentrating on the exact same tasks that Debian already does for them?

If we are talking about open source and free software, why should we support camp mentality, this camp against that camp etc? Co-operation is and should be the key word in the open source world. Contributors to free software are supposed to cooperate with each other instead of competing against each other. Somebody is good at something and concentrates on that and it will benefit the whole community.

Unlike Novell, Canonical is not a big old corporation, and lacks resources compared to Novell. In fact, Canonical's resources are still a bit too much the same thing as Mark Shuttleworth's money that he has generously given to the Ubuntu development. The man is sure rich but he doesn't have endless amounts of money and has his right to decide what kind of projects he sees more important to give money to.

Edited 2008-09-21 18:50 UTC

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RE: Rant disguised as keynote
by jakesdad on Sun 21st Sep 2008 14:34 in reply to "Rant disguised as keynote"
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That's call deflection. I see a lot of contributions from Novell compared to Ubuntu.

Basically you are saying: "ignore our problems,,, look at the pariah Novell. They do more work than us but we want you to look down on them."

This is why I never liked Ubuntu. It all seemed like a college students marketing class lab.

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