Linked by Amjith Ramanujam on Sun 21st Sep 2008 06:46 UTC, submitted by Rahul
Linux Greg KH, Linux kernel developer delivered a keynote in the Linux plumbing conference about the health of the ecosystem. His message was essentially that distributions that don't contribute to the ecosystem have to rely on the whims of others which is unhealthy for them. Here is an introduction the development model and some interesting statistics about the Linux kernel code. Update by TH: Rebuttals are appearing all over the web, like this one by Canonical's Matt Zimmerman ("He's refuting a claim which has, quite simply, never been made. [...] When this sort of thing happens on mailing lists, it's called trolling."), or this one by another Canonical employee, Dustin Kirkland.
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RE[7]: Rant disguised as keynote
by segedunum on Sun 21st Sep 2008 22:43 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Rant disguised as keynote"
segedunum
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2005-07-06

Just put an average person in front of a PC and ask them to install, configure and use Debian and Ubuntu and then compare the user experience. Do you think they will find Debian easier to use? Hardly.

No, but the notion that Ubuntu is the only distribution providing a half-decent installer is complete baloney. When anyone is pushed as to what Ubuntu actually does the only thing you usually get back is "Oh, it's user friendly" painting over the fact that it's really no better than what OpenSuse, Fedora or one of the other smaller distros like PCLinux are putting together.

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irbis Member since:
2005-07-08

it's really no better than what OpenSuse, Fedora or one of the other smaller distros like PCLinux are putting together.

Yes, you may be mostly right about that. However, one secret to Ubuntu's success is, of course, Ubuntu's Debian-like package management and huge software repositories. Other distros (not based on Debian) have been improving in that front lately too, but it has taken surprisingly long time and they may still be behind Debian and Ubuntu in that respect.

Other Debian-based distributions like PCLInux may have had other problems, like there maybe being doubts about their future etc.

As to package management, I remember years ago trying to convince a local Redhat-based distribution of the benefits of apt-get (apt-rpm) and how it could improve the usability and their popularity a lot. (Their distro had no repository system at all and all packages had to be downloaded and installed one by one, including all the dependencies. The so-called RPM hell.). They were not convinced, and have also been out of business for years now. But, like we know, also Redhat and many other RPM-based distros have eventually seen the light and use apt-like tools for their software management now too. But many still see that Debian-based distributions like Ubuntu are not only pioneers in this field but still do software management better than others in the Linux world.

Edited 2008-09-21 23:33 UTC

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