Linked by Amjith Ramanujam on Sun 21st Sep 2008 06:46 UTC, submitted by Rahul
Linux Greg KH, Linux kernel developer delivered a keynote in the Linux plumbing conference about the health of the ecosystem. His message was essentially that distributions that don't contribute to the ecosystem have to rely on the whims of others which is unhealthy for them. Here is an introduction the development model and some interesting statistics about the Linux kernel code. Update by TH: Rebuttals are appearing all over the web, like this one by Canonical's Matt Zimmerman ("He's refuting a claim which has, quite simply, never been made. [...] When this sort of thing happens on mailing lists, it's called trolling."), or this one by another Canonical employee, Dustin Kirkland.
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RE[7]: Rant disguised as keynote
by KAMiKAZOW on Sun 21st Sep 2008 23:14 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Rant disguised as keynote"
KAMiKAZOW
Member since:
2005-07-06

I'm sorry, but I fail to find the innovations. Don't compare Ubuntu just to Debian. Debian was never been meant to be easily installable be Joe User. Debian is made for servers and system administrators. Other distros made moves similar to Ubuntu before.

Cannonical wrote a new installer. Wow, basically every distro does that. I remember Caldera Open Desktop (or whatever it was called) from around 1999. Its installer was great. Yeah, the hardware had to be mostly manually configured by that time but it was as easy as it could get; and later it offered the user to play Tetris. That was awesome.
It took other distros years to catch up with its usability.
The problem with Ubuntu's installer is that it's too simple. It doesn't offer a real "advanced" installation routine if the user wants to. The user has to get the Alternate CD that comes with a text mode installation.
Compare that to YaST: Inexperienced users can just click "Next".

I've first seen a live CD installer in BeOS. The same applies for a Windows based installer that installed the OS into a virtual partition (BeOS 5 Personal Edition did that).
OK, that's not Linux and that stuff was not open source, but IIRC Knoppix came before Ubuntu and did that whole live CD installer thing.

Ubuntu replaced a few default applications, eg. ship Firefox by default and not a gazillion apps that all do the same. Ubuntu was hardly the first distro to do that. My example is again Caldera Open Desktop. I got that one from a magazine CD. Unlike "old SuSE" Caldera didn't ship on 5 CDs, but 1. I can't remember which defaults Caldera used (hey, it's been 10 years) but I was a total Linux noob then and I was not confused.

Most of GNOME's polish comes from Sun Microsystems, not Ubuntu. And KDE... well... not really polished at all: http://www.flickr.com/photos/19616885@N00/2535182834/

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irbis Member since:
2005-07-08

I'm sorry, but I fail to find the innovations.

Great new OS innovations or not - but that's neither what this story is really about. It is more about basic level bug fixing and other such code contributions, in what Greg Kroah-Hartman calls the Linux ecosystem, and where he - in between the lines - loudly praises his own employer, Novell as the misunderstood hero of the story, when compared to Canonical.

Edited 2008-09-22 00:04 UTC

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KAMiKAZOW Member since:
2005-07-06

It is more about basic level bug fixing and other such code contributions, in what Greg Kroah-Hartman calls the Linux ecosystem, and where he - in between the lines - loudly praises his own employer, Novell as the misunderstood hero of the story, when compared to Canonical.

Cannonical doesn't even do simple bugfixing -- at least not upstream or, to be more precise, only to a very small degree. That's OK. Free Software permits that.
Instead of getting angry, Cannonical employees and Ubuntu fans could just admit that.
Instead they deny the article's numbers.

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