Linked by David Adams on Wed 24th Sep 2008 22:44 UTC, submitted by snydeq
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y Linux Foundation Executive Director Jim Zemlin has said it is time for Solaris to simply move out of the way and yield the future to Linux. 'The future is Linux and Microsoft Windows. It is not Unix or Solaris,' he claims, contending that Sun's strength in long-lifecycle apps is giving way to Linux, as evidenced by the rise of Web apps, where Linux holds a decided advantage, Zemlin claims. With capabilities such as ZFS and DTrace, Sun is trying to compete based on minor features, he says. 'That's literally like noticing the view from a third-story building as it burns to the ground.'
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Why are Linux guys pr*cks?
by Kebabbert on Thu 25th Sep 2008 14:28 UTC
Kebabbert
Member since:
2007-07-27

I dont get it. Why are Linux guys so offensive all the time? Look at the things that Linus Torvalds says, for instance. "OpenBSD developers are masturbating monkeys" and something like "when someone has produced a weak solution, I flame them, but if they can show that the solution is not weak, I change my mind".

Why do you have to flame anyone if they made a weak solution? He works for you, for free. Why do you have to insult people?

The sad thing is that lots of Linux people thinks that Linus is right: it IS ok to insult people and flame them.

I dont get it. If someone cooperates with you, why not be nice to them? You dont have to be a prick just because you can. Linus says things like "I have more experience, I am right, therefore I can flame others". But hey, if I have more power or experience, I dont have to insult others? That would cause a sad climate.

Linux people are obviously not team players. Imagine a fotball team, and when someone has messed it up, it is not necessary to give him bad confidence and yelling. I play to win. I encourage my team to win, and I expect to be encouraged if I have a bad day. You can not be on top all the time. I do NOT accept to be insulted. Im a grown man, with adult coworkers. Im not a child mobbing others. I dont understand people saying adult mobbing/bullying is acceptable. They lack something. That is obvious. If their children were bullied, I bet they would not tolerate that.





Other than that, ZFS and DTrace is available to FreeBSD, Mac OS X, QNX (dtrace), etc. It is open code. You can download and use it right away. SUN has publicly stated that they love to port DTrace to AIX, but IBM has not responded. It took long time to open up Java, because SUN had to prove they owned all code. And, there were closed third party libraries that had to be dealt with. Same as Solaris, it has 3rd party code. I see it is hard for SUN to satisfy every license. If Linux wants Solaris tech so badly, then they should change license. Why yell at SUN and demand SUN change everything, so it suits Linus Torvalds? Linus has also said that if Solaris is GPL 3.0, he will consider releasing Linux to GPL 3.0. So he will change license then. Maybe. FreeBSD and Apple succeeds using ZFS and Dtrace. They are NOT closed code, contrary to what Linux people thinks.





Which other large proprietary company than SUN, has opened up all their code and technology? Has IBM done that? Or Microsoft? Oracle? No one has done that. Do you prefer companies to have closed source, or open? If you prefer open source, then we should support SUN. What happens if IBM, Microsoft, etc sees that SUN's opening up code is successfull? Then they will follow! What happens if SUN bankrupts? No one will ever try to open up code again. It will stay closed. Do we want that? What should we support? Closed companies, or open companies? Which companies do we want to be successfull? Open or closed? Your choice!

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tweakedenigma Member since:
2006-12-27

Although I agree with you on your point that SUN has done a lot for FOSS, the attitude expressed by Jim Zemlin is pretty common in the IT world.

What I mean by that is most of us are arrogant pricks and when we think we are right we tell you, and its normally not in the friendliest of ways.

I do Disagree with what Jim Zemlin has said, I think SUN has a lot to offer server side with Solaris, and client side with apps like OpenOffice. Although I think Open Solaris is kind of weak but I will wait and see where it goes.

I guess my real point is Jim Zemlin sounds like the kind of IT you would expect to find in a server room making sure the junior administrators realize they aren't as smart as they think, and he should probably know by now he is in charge of a organization and the things he says publicly might bite him later.

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RE: Why are Linux guys pr*cks?
by irbis on Thu 25th Sep 2008 15:37 in reply to "Why are Linux guys pr*cks?"
irbis Member since:
2005-07-08

Why are Linux guys pr*cks? I dont get it. Why are Linux guys so offensive all the time?

Blehh... By using offensive generalizations like that you are guilty of the very thing you are accusing others (your so-called "Linux guys) for... *sigh*

The Linux community is big and heterogenous. You can find many kind of "guys" there, from SCO to Debian, from big corporations to individual Linux users, OS hobbyists and developers. Probably majority of "Linux guys" use and value other operating systems too.

Let's all try to be balanced in our opinions, ok?

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RE: Why are Linux guys pr*cks?
by Soulbender on Thu 25th Sep 2008 15:57 in reply to "Why are Linux guys pr*cks?"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

I dont get it. Why are Linux guys so offensive all the time?


How does one guy making a stupid comment make "Linux guys" offensive all the time?
People are pricks. Everywhere. Regardless of race, gender, eyecolor, music taste or preferred OS.

Look at the things that Linus Torvalds says, for instance. "OpenBSD developers are masturbating monkeys"


I think of a lot of things that Theo has said that is worse. Of course, I dont mind either Theo or Linus speaking their mind, no matter how abrasive, and I sure won't generalize that into that all Linux or OpenBSD users are abrasive assholes.

They are NOT closed code, contrary to what Linux people thinks.


It has nothing to to with it being closed, it has an unsuitable license. Just like how OpenBSD, for example, avoid including GPL'd code in the base OS.

Why do you have to flame anyone if they made a weak solution? He works for you, for free. Why do you have to insult people?


Why are you insulting Linux users?

Which other large proprietary company than SUN, has opened up all their code and technology?


All of it? Really? Do you know something we don't? Are all their hardware specs open?

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