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Linux This article takes a look at five great but not very well-known desktop-focussed Linux distros, including SimplyMEPIS and Mint. It focuses on distros that are easy-to-use.
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SimplyMepis and PCLinuxOS: No thanks...
by sbergman27 on Sat 27th Sep 2008 02:29 UTC
sbergman27
Member since:
2005-07-24

I lost confidence in SimplyMepis when Woodford decided to base it upon Ubuntu 6.06 LTS... and then later about faced, claiming that LTS did not live up to its promise of being Debian Sid. (Norman, coordinate!) If the architect and sole maintainer can make such an incredibly stupid mistake, its hard to muster a lot of confidence in the distro.

PCLinuxOS wore out its welcome as too many fanboys posted too many PCLinuxOS propaganda spams in too many forums for too long. For a while it was like the halcyon days of Gentoo. ( http://funroll-loops.info/ ) And then there was that mysterious period in which PCLinuxOS, literally over night, rocketed up to #1 on distrowatch, stayed there several months, and then rocketed back down (again literally over night). Ladislav never found any definite signs of improper manipulation, but the whole business was damned peculiar if you ask me.

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AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

"and then rocketed back down (again literally over night)."

That's not true. It started a gradual decline several months back. It certainly didn't "rocket back down" overnight - it's dropped gradually and smoothly over several months from near 3,000 down to its current just over 1,000. It's almost stable now but still dropping quite slowly.

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devnet Member since:
2007-01-16

And that extra slow "rocket" back down is because it hasn't released a new version since May of 2007. It's a community made distribution that has a small dev team of 5-10 people who work on it when they're not doing their full time jobs and living life.

You'd do well to show a bit of respect for people who can pull off something like this...gaining over a huge distro like Ubuntu with a dev team of 10. It's a huge accomplishment. They don't care for rankings. They just want to make stuff that works and they do a damn fine job doing it. Get off their back and go trash someone or something that actually deserves trashing...because PCLinuxOS doesn't deserve your ire.

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

You'd do well to show a bit of respect for people who can pull off something like this...

But I've nothing against the devs. 'Twas the fans and cheerleaders ruined PCLinuxOS.

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AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

devnet: I'm not sure who that was directed at, but I wasn't bashing PCLOS at all. I was trying to refute the initial implication that its ranking was dishonestly achieved (which I've never believed).

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da_Chicken Member since:
2006-01-01

I lost confidence in SimplyMepis when Woodford decided to base it upon Ubuntu 6.06 LTS... and then later about faced, claiming that LTS did not live up to its promise of being Debian Sid.


It looks like Woodford was disappointed to find out that Ubuntu's LTS releases don't receive application upgrades, only security updates. His discussions with the Ubuntu people had led him to believe that Ubuntu could offer both the up-to-dateness of Debian Sid and the stability of Debian Stable, but Woodford concluded that neither of these promises were true. As a result, he decided to switch Mepis back from Ubuntu to Debian.

http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS6170488551.html

The move from Debian to Ubuntu seems to be one big misunderstanding from Woodford's side, he was simply deceived by Ubuntu's ambiguous marketing and self-promotion. If I had to criticize the shortcomings in Ubuntu's release process, I'd point out the fact that most of Ubuntu's packages are in the officially unsupported "universe" component, which nevertheless is enabled by default. So Ubuntu users don't necessarily understand that they should only use packages from "universe" at their own risk. Because "universe" is not officially supported, those packages don't receive security updates from the Ubuntu security team and, furthermore, release-critical bugs in "universe" are not considered as show-stoppers for the new Ubuntu releases. I think this line of argument would be more valid critique than anything that Woodford has said.

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

It looks like Woodford was disappointed to find out that Ubuntu's LTS releases don't receive application upgrades, only security updates.

Yes. Just as everyone in the world with the exception of Warren Woodford knew at the time; The Ubuntu devs never claimed otherwise. And it's not like we didn't already have plenty of models demonstrating how long term support distros work: RHEL, SLES, Debian-Stable...

His discussions with the Ubuntu people had led him to believe that Ubuntu could offer both the up-to-dateness of Debian Sid and the stability of Debian Stable,

You're going to have to provide some evidence (beyond Warren's own face-saving statements later on) to support that.

And there is no point in continuing the discussion until you do. Good luck finding supporting evidence in the real world for Warren's fanciful work of fiction. Debian-testing is an excellent "trunk" distro for spin-off distros and Woodford was a fool for derailing his distro as he did.

Edited 2008-09-27 11:47 UTC

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Anonymous Penguin Member since:
2005-07-06



It looks like Woodford was disappointed to find out that Ubuntu's LTS releases don't receive application upgrades, only security updates. His discussions with the Ubuntu people had led him to believe that Ubuntu could offer both the up-to-dateness of Debian Sid and the stability of Debian Stable,


Pretty naive of him, if that is the case. Kano or the Sidux team were never caught in such a mistake.

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zombie process Member since:
2005-07-08

Huh - I'd chalk the initial response to "finally, something other than a debian polisher to work with!" I tried it, and liked it quite a bit. I wasn't wild about its use of apt-for-rpm, but it had the pieces of Mandrake that I liked so much back in the day, and had enough of its own flavor that it was a breath of fresh air. It also always nice to find a KDE-centric distro these days.

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

Huh - I'd chalk the initial response to "finally, something other than a debian polisher to work with!"

How times have changed. The Red Hat polishers have left the building.

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