Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 7th Oct 2008 10:27 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Sunday we reported on an interview with an MSI manager, who stated that internal research had shown that the return rate for the Linux version of MSI's Wind netbook was four times as high as that of the Windows XP version. He claimed that the unfamiliarity of people with Linux was the culprit. This claim sparked some serious discussion around the net, but now MSI's statement is being repeated by Canonical, the company behind Ubuntu.
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RE: Doh! moment later on
by darknexus on Tue 7th Oct 2008 12:37 UTC in reply to "Doh! moment later on"
darknexus
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2008-07-15

Oh come on, hasn't that argument been run into the ground already? Stop flogging the dead horse, especially with the malware part. No one denies that Windows is full of malware and viruses. Know why? Because it's got 99% of the PC market. You really think Linux would escape a similar fate if someone really wanted to target it? Or OS X, for that matter? Yes, its architecture makes it harder and it would probably not be as easy to corrupt the system--this applies to all variants of UNIX and UNIX-like systems.. But is the customer going to give a damn when their data is all messed up? Oh crap, I was almost finished with that paper and now some Virus messed it up. Oh well at least my computer still runs so I can type it all up again. Never, ever, ever assume that you're immune to something just because it hasn't happened yet, that applies in all walks of life including computers. What is it with the Linux zealots running with this argument all the time? You're not immune, you're just not a big enough target yet, and they'd rather pick off the easy targets. Hell, even OS X isn't a big enough target yet.
As far as anti-virus solutions go, the free ones are good enough for most people honestly. They don't keep everything out but they keep the worst out, and that's all most people care about. So that kills another argument of the Linux fanboy, that you need an expensive anti-virus solution.
To make things clear, I'm not defending Windows or criticizing Linux here, merely trying to point out the flaw in this argument that many Linux lovers use as if it were a talisman. Linux is an operating system people, not a religion. Step back a bit.

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RE[2]: Doh! moment later on
by lemur2 on Tue 7th Oct 2008 13:54 in reply to "RE: Doh! moment later on"
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2007-02-17

But is the customer going to give a damn when their data is all messed up? Oh crap, I was almost finished with that paper and now some Virus messed it up. Oh well at least my computer still runs so I can type it all up again.


It is interesting that you say this.

I have just got through (in the last 20 minutes or so) going through the exercise of rescuing my son's University assignment. It had taken him all week to prepare, and he was just printing it out (and was playing a game on the Internet while he was waiting for the print to finish), and had printed 5 out of the 11 pages when ... the printer stopped in mid page. The virus scanner popped up a message about a trojan being detected. It was impossible to cancel the rest of the printout. The word processor could not be closed.

He decided to try for a re-boot. Windows failed to re-boot, complaining about some corrupted or missing system files.

Oh what a sinking feeling, as they say.

I put a Knoppix CD in the drive, booted that, copied his files from his desktop onto a pen drive, opened them in OpenOffice, finished the printout and gave him his rescued project saved on the pen drive.

Ta da!

Lets see one of your fancy attack viruses (changed somehow to work on Linux instead of Windows) come up with a way to beat that rescue method. Even a virus beefed up to work on Linux won't be able to do much with a bootable rescue CDROM, will it?

We have yet to re-install the Windows partition on the machine.

I said to him it would be better to save your work on the NAS drive, because that way we could have just printed them from another machine. He told me he was thinking that he wouldn't be working in Windows again after that near-disaster experience. He'd had enough.

Edited 2008-10-07 14:01 UTC

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RE[3]: Doh! moment later on
by darknexus on Tue 7th Oct 2008 14:39 in reply to "RE[2]: Doh! moment later on"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

You missed my point... deliberately, I suspect, if past comments of yours are any indication. My point is not that Linux has viruses now, my point was that one of the main reasons for that is it not being a big enough target. naturally you could pop in a Knoppix CD and rescue your system, and you could do that even if Linux was targeted for a Virus. And why would that be? Because a Windows virus couldn't target Linux, and a Linux virus wouldn't affect Windows. The only exception would be if it was a software exploit of a service that is running on both systems.
/* WARNING: Rant Follows */
But why am I bothering to explain this to you? If your reading comprehension level is low enough that you missed the point of my last comment, or your so locked into your one viewpoint that you deliberately misread it, clearly I can talk until I'm blue in the face and write until my fingers fall off... and it will make no difference at all. I am sick of the zealotry that I see towards Linux. It is not the end-all-be-all, and believe it or not, some users may not want it. It does have faults, and is not immune to malware by some act of the supernatural.
/* End Rant */
I'd love to see Linux succeed commercially, as competition is only a good thing and never a bad one. But the more people hype Linux up to be what it currently is not, the further away it is pushed from being widely accepted.

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