Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 7th Oct 2008 10:27 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Sunday we reported on an interview with an MSI manager, who stated that internal research had shown that the return rate for the Linux version of MSI's Wind netbook was four times as high as that of the Windows XP version. He claimed that the unfamiliarity of people with Linux was the culprit. This claim sparked some serious discussion around the net, but now MSI's statement is being repeated by Canonical, the company behind Ubuntu.
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RE[4]: GJ apologists
by google_ninja on Tue 7th Oct 2008 23:06 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: GJ apologists"
google_ninja
Member since:
2006-02-05

the MS stack is the only one that is hopelessly obscured and high maintenance, to the extent that it does take a higher level of IT competence to try to deliver it.


That is just nuts. A bad programmer can bang out an app that meets the requirements a hell of alot easier with vb then any other platform out there. A good programmer can deliver it in a fraction of the time then any other platform.

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RE[5]: GJ apologists
by lemur2 on Tue 7th Oct 2008 23:35 in reply to "RE[4]: GJ apologists"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

"the MS stack is the only one that is hopelessly obscured and high maintenance, to the extent that it does take a higher level of IT competence to try to deliver it.
That is just nuts. A bad programmer can bang out an app that meets the requirements a hell of alot easier with vb then any other platform out there. A good programmer can deliver it in a fraction of the time then any other platform. "

http://librenix.com/?inode=4033

(Purebasic, Realbasic, HBasic, Gambas, XBasic, KBasic, and Phoenix Object Basic)

http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9725385854.html

(Visual Basic for Linux - in Mono).

http://www.python.org/

(Better than basic ... and far more portable).

Enjoy.

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RE[6]: GJ apologists
by google_ninja on Wed 8th Oct 2008 00:57 in reply to "RE[5]: GJ apologists"
google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

It is not the language, it is the environment. You open a new project, connect to a database, and drag the tables you want to work with on to a design service. You now have a moderately good datalayer. You make a new form, and drag some fields and wire them up to the data source. You now have a create/update/read/delete screen without writing any code, and having spent 5-10 minutes.

Not saying code generation will take you all the way there for anything but the most simple of apps, but as i said, most of these apps are pretty damn simple. When depoyment time rolls around, you set up a clickonce site up in IIS, and publish to it. The users go to the site over the intranet, one click and it is on the machine. At every launch of the app, it will check itself against the server and update any bits that are different.

Now, VB blows, and people who do that kind of work are barely programmers (anyone with any sort of drive and ability would want something more to sink their teeth into), but these kind of drones come very cheap, and are able to bang out lots of "good enough" applications very quickly.

Complex apps are another story, and the situation is not as cut and dried. But for simple things nothing else I have tried or read about comes close.

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