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RE[3]: Flawed but with some serious possibilities!
by Morph on Fri 17th Oct 2008 10:28
in reply to "RE[2]: Flawed but with some serious possibilities!"
what I know of FLOSS culture...If there are any proprietary drivers running when people report bugs and the app functions okay with the FLOSS driver then most of the time the reaction seems to be 'too bad' or some variation of 'its not my fault
Sounds like the problem is (partly) with FOSS culture, then!?
look as far as IE6 to see what happens with Microsoft when there isn't someone around to push and prod them into actually innovating
Yeah, that's a good (bad!) example. Fortunately Microsoft's standards have improved a lot since the bad-old-days of Windows 9x and IE4-6. IE8 is quite developer-friendly and has eg tabs-in-separate-processes, and Vista has some great UI and under-the-hood improvements (don't believe every criticism you read!). Competition surely did play a role here. I'd guess that Apple, Google and Mozilla are mostly to thank for that!
RE[4]: Flawed but with some serious possibilities!
by bornagainenguin on Fri 17th Oct 2008 14:24
in reply to "RE[3]: Flawed but with some serious possibilities!"
morph pointed out...
Sounds like the problem is (partly) with FOSS culture, then!?
Yes, but not really. Corporate developers are all too happy to pass the buck whenever they can as well. And as someone else has already said, this makes sense for them because they can't fix what they can't see.
morph posted...
"look as far as IE6 to see what happens with Microsoft when there isn't someone around to push and prod them into actually innovating
Yeah, that's a good (bad!) example. Fortunately Microsoft's standards have improved a lot since the bad-old-days of Windows 9x and IE4-6. IE8 is quite developer-friendly and has eg tabs-in-separate-processes, and Vista has some great UI and under-the-hood improvements (don't believe every criticism you read!). Competition surely did play a role here. I'd guess that Apple, Google and Mozilla are mostly to thank for that! "
As far as I can see IE 7 was more or less a new coat of paint, but one which broke quite a few intranet apps due to their reliance on doing things the "IE way" instead of following standards. IE8 looks like the team got back together and have been trying to do something good, something new. I'm actually looking forward to trying ot out if they release it on XP, but I doubt I'll switch from Firefox without some serious benefits and even then it would have to be able to do everything I can currently do with Firefox as well.
As for Vista? Don't make me laugh--I'm sorry but as far as I'm concerned Vista is in the same place IE was in with IE6...
It has inhaled air every time I've had to deal with it, and the fact it needs three or four times the RAM just to be able to do smoothly what XP can do on half that just shows how broken it is IMHO.
Still...I'm hoping now that Apple is gobbling up mindshare and their usershare is increasing and people are being exposed to Linux on netbooks as well as all the incrememntal improvements to Linux we're seeing...
I'm hoping all this will be enough to trigger a reaction in Redmond and inspire some competition in Windows beyond the PR campaign.
Still it works both ways too--kexec has been around for years now and this looks like the first time its been mentioned with home users in mind. Makes me wonder what else there is we could be using at home?
--bornagainpenguin
Edited 2008-10-17 14:27 UTC





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morph whined...
I'm not trying to be funny; I'm going by experience and what I know of FLOSS culture.
If there are any proprietary drivers running when people report bugs and the app functions okay with the FLOSS driver then most of the time the reaction seems to be 'too bad' or some variation of 'its not my fault, talk to your manufacturer' and that will put off most users.
Even users who understand the politics of the situation.
I'm glad that I didn't have to wait longer than the first comment for someone to fire up the Microsoft bashing. I hate having to read through 8 or 10 insightful, clever comments to get to the Microsoft h4te. "
I live to serve.
But seriously we only have to look as far as IE6 to see what happens with Microsoft when there isn't someone around to push and prod them into actually innovating. Once Netscape was no longer a threat Microsoft broke up the IE team and sent them off to do other things.
I don't think *cough*Iloveyou*cough* I need to remind you *cough*melissa*cough* what the end result of that *cough*codered*cough* was, do I?
Besides, why do you have to focus on the negative? I was saying this was a good thing if you remember?
Or are we to infer from your reception you consider Microsoft a one-trick-pony who won't be able to keep up with the rest of world if it has to compete...?
--bornagainpenguin