Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 17th Oct 2008 20:08 UTC, submitted by Joe
Mac OS X Even though Snow Leopard is supposed to be all about tweaking and performance, AppleInsider claims to have some information regarding new features coming in Snow Leopard. They claim Apple is working on bringing Exchange support to iCal, Address Book, and Mail, a feature called ImageBoot, and - insert drum roll - a new Finder written in Cocoa. Testers also claim that other bundled applications are written in Cocoa. This isn't all that weird seeing Carbon doesn't come in a 64bit flavour.
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RE[3]: Cocoa + Finder = Finder
by pandronic on Fri 17th Oct 2008 21:47 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Cocoa + Finder = Finder"
pandronic
Member since:
2006-05-18

Adding something more complicated or wildly different would be a bad thing for the majority of the users

Then how about adding some basic stuff? How about an option to show folders first? How about an option to create a new file on right click? How about an option to show/hide hidden files? How about native support for SFTP? How about decent archive handling (like mounting an archive, or browsing it like a folder)? How about an UP button (to take you to the parent folder)? How about an easy way to send a file by email or make a shortcut of it on the desktop? How about a way to replace it completely with another more competent file manager (like Path Finder) without it popping all the time? How about a way to remove it from the Dock or change its position?

Edited 2008-10-17 22:01 UTC

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RE[4]: Cocoa + Finder = Finder
by bonch on Fri 17th Oct 2008 23:15 in reply to "RE[3]: Cocoa + Finder = Finder"
bonch Member since:
2006-06-01

If you customize the Finder toolbar, there is already a button available to allow you to go to a parent directory (or any other directory in the path). You can also Cmd-click on the title of the Finder window.

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RE[5]: Cocoa + Finder = Finder
by Kroc on Sat 18th Oct 2008 06:23 in reply to "RE[4]: Cocoa + Finder = Finder"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

Yes, but you can't drag files onto it.

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RE[5]: Cocoa + Finder = Finder
by Gorgak on Sun 19th Oct 2008 10:22 in reply to "RE[4]: Cocoa + Finder = Finder"
Gorgak Member since:
2007-05-30

Wow, I didn't know that. I've been missing that functionality and I never would've guessed that it was available - but not by default (boooh!)

Thanks!

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stainlessstealrat Member since:
2007-12-12

How about an option to show folders first

Hear, Hear!

Finder is like trying to drive a ferrari with square wheels...

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thebackwash Member since:
2005-07-06

You listed a lot of useful features there, but at least in response to your desire for an "up" button: you can either add the "path" item too the toolbar (go to View -> Customize Toolbar) or simply right click on the folder name in the titlebar. (Previously, you had to command-click. I'm not sure when right clicking started to do the same thing.) This trick works in any window which has a miniature icon (document icon) in the titlebar, as well as working in Safari. I'll take the opportunity to mention here as well that if you click and hold, and then drag the mini-icon, whatever you do with the icon is treated as acting upon the file itself. You can do the whole bevy of operations available when dragging a file (move, copy, make alias, etc.)

Hope that helps.

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pandronic Member since:
2006-05-18

Yes, I know. There are three workarounds for the UP button issue:
- right click on title bar
- path toolbar button
- and showing the path bar

The first two require two clicks and making sense of a list, while the last one is more easy to use. There are, though, two annoying things about the Path Bar - it cannot be moved to the top of the window and you have to double click to go to a parent folder instead of just clicking like you do on all the other interface elements.

I guess I could let it go, but how hard would it actually be to make an optional UP button to put on the toolbar like all normal file managers?



Oh, and I just remembered another two things that drive me crazy:
- Cut is disabled. You can activate it using defaults write com.apple.finder AllowCutForItems 1 but all it does is move the file to Trash. WTF? Sure, you can drag files around, but what if you are a keyboard person, or what if you don't feel like doing mouse-aerobics around your filesystem just to cut a god damned file. Or you could install something like this: http://ilari.scheinin.fidisk.fi/findercutandpaste/ but then again ... WTF?
- Pressing Enter renames a file instead of opening it and you have to press Cmd+Down to open it. Again - WTF? Shouldn't it be easier to open a file since you do that all the time?

Sometimes I'm getting sick of the way Apple does some things differently just for the sake of it. Sure there is a lot of innovation and there are lots of good things, but Finder ain't one of them. It's a stinking pile of garbage, a half-baked sorry excuse of a file manager. It's my biggest source of frustration since moving to Mac.

Edited 2008-10-18 12:47 UTC

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RE[4]: Cocoa + Finder = Finder
by Budd on Mon 20th Oct 2008 12:58 in reply to "RE[3]: Cocoa + Finder = Finder"
Budd Member since:
2005-07-08

Some of them already exists : right(ctrl+click) in the middle of the window bar to navigate the whole path. You can also show hidden files using Finder settings. Should one need tinker with Finder that's what you should use : Tinker Tools. But as I said, some of them already exist. Of course, they will not work as they work in Windows/Linux but hey, we are talking Finder here.

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