Linked by Rahul on Thu 23rd Oct 2008 14:25 UTC
Linux ServerWatch writes about the slow but sure death of UNIX by the onslaught of Linux and customers moving from older proprietary UNIX systems to commercially supported open source enterprise Linux distributions. "Linux does have one killer feature that is driving the switch: lower cost. Many companies are discovering Linux to be extremely attractive from a cost perspective. Take the experience of Sabre, a travel company that replaced Solaris with Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) running on x86 machines, resulting in lowering costs 90 percent (with a three-fold speed gain to boot). These potential cost savings, which include hardware maintenance costs savings, are not to sniffed at."
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RE: "Next" victim?
by sbergman27 on Thu 23rd Oct 2008 16:41 UTC in reply to ""Next" victim?"
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Who was the "first" victim of Linux? Other than the idiots at SCO, I can't recall any OS that has been run out of business because Linux is here ... certainly not Windows or OS X ....

I do not mean to be critical, but this needs to be said. The management behind the original SCO became Tarantella. SCO was a damned good Unix. Absolutely tops on x86 at the time. The CEO made a nasty public swipe at Linux, back in the day. But to his credit, he quickly learned from it and apologized. They decided that their Unix days were numbered and went into a sort of virtualization effort. Caldera, a Linux company for whom I used to have some respect, but associated with the very shady "Canopy Group" purchased the OS division of SCO, hired a new upper management staff, and the rest, as they say, is history. We should not tarnish the name of SCO. We should tarnish names like Darl McBride, Chris Sontag, and Canopy Group. Canopy Group was pulling the strings. And Darl was their front-man. And a very willing one in my view.

SGI is doing some really impressive work, with Linux, on SSI supercomputing systems. Sun is adapting Solaris to this new day and age.

Yeah, I'm a Linux fan. But, honestly, I'm a Unix fan first. Linux and the *BSDs have been the unifying forces that Unix has needed for so very long. It pains me when we still fight amongst ourselves, now that we have a chance to do something wonderful... again.

Edited 2008-10-23 17:00 UTC

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RE[2]: "Next" victim?
by google_ninja on Thu 23rd Oct 2008 19:10 in reply to "RE: "Next" victim?"
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I don't even think Darl was pure evil. When he first became CEO the stuff he was saying is what you would want to hear from the CEO of a major Linux company in this day and age.

One of the things I like about your posts is that you are a linux fan that actually knows some history. It is interesting to see how a company could start with so much street cred, and end as one of the Great Satans. Or how a bunch of evil bastards like IBM could completely turn around their image with unix geeks the way they have.

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RE[3]: "Next" victim?
by sbergman27 on Thu 23rd Oct 2008 19:52 in reply to "RE[2]: "Next" victim?"
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It is interesting to see how a company could start with so much street cred, and end as one of the Great Satans.

Not a company. A name. "The SCO Group", commonly and erroneously referred to as "SCO" today, is a very different company than it was before. Not the same people at all. My recollection is that Darl did, indeed, start out as completely evil. It was Ransom Love whose comments were, perhaps, somewhat debatable. He was much hated by the community. But I tended to agree with his comments regarding the respective benefits of, say, BSD vs GPL licensing. Darl was no Ransom. And yet the new SCO was *all about* ransom. And very mistakenly so. Yet the old SCO... and by that, I mean the *really* old SCO... the one that predated Caldera, Ransom, and ransom, was pretty cool. The original Caldera was also reasonably cool. The current incarnation is the completely evil one. But is also, in the immortal words of the beloved Douglas Adams... Mostly Harmless. ;-)

Edited 2008-10-23 19:58 UTC

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RE[2]: "Next" victim?
by PlatformAgnostic on Thu 23rd Oct 2008 22:40 in reply to "RE: "Next" victim?"
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Incidentally, the old SCO Unix was actually derived from Microsoft's Xenix Codebase. Just thought I'd throw that in there :-).

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RE[3]: "Next" victim?
by sbergman27 on Fri 24th Oct 2008 00:34 in reply to "RE[2]: "Next" victim?"
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Incidentally, the old SCO Unix was actually derived from Microsoft's Xenix Codebase.

A very long time ago, yes. Before my time, actually. Which made for a lot of"What the hell is this!?" glances from me 20 years ago when I was just getting started with SCO Xenix, as most of the shell scripts began with an MS copyright.

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v Raymond Noorda
by Moulinneuf on Fri 24th Oct 2008 01:30 in reply to "RE: "Next" victim?"
RE: Raymond Noorda
by sbergman27 on Fri 24th Oct 2008 01:55 in reply to "Raymond Noorda"
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What, exactly is it that you disagree with regarding Ray Noorda?

None of the rest of your post is worth responding too. My only question there is how you can stand to be so very hateful. Hateful thoughts drain the life out of me. I find it far more pleasant to avoid them. You have done a great deal to damage the reputation of the Linux community here on OSNews through the expression of your hatred of BSD. Possibly more than anyone else I can think of. I have tried to reach you in the past, through public and private communications, through reason. I've exhausted all the reasonable strategies. So perhaps it is time to resort to an *unreasonable* one:

You can stick your head up your ass, Moulinneuf. Or, actually, I think you already have.

Edited 2008-10-24 02:05 UTC

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RE[2]: "Next" victim?
by makkus on Sat 25th Oct 2008 05:58 in reply to "RE: "Next" victim?"
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SCO was a good UNIX in a time where serial terminals ruled. A i386 SCO server with a bunch digiboard serial connectors could serve a company of around 256 people.

But like Microsoft they were overrun by the internet and missed the boat. Unlike Microsoft they hadn't the money and power to catch on. From mid-nineties on, SCO was a farce.

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