Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 25th Oct 2008 19:26 UTC, submitted by SK8T
In the News In a rather unusual move, both Google and Apple have publicly backed the fight against "Proposition 8", both by words as well as by donation. Proposition 8 is an initiative measure in the state of California that would ban same-sex marriages in California by amending the Constitution of the state to include that "only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California". Both companies gave out their reasoning for supporting the fight against 'Prop 8'.
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RE[3]: Applause
by darknexus on Sat 25th Oct 2008 20:55 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Applause"
darknexus
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2008-07-15

Although I agree completely, I think you're wishing for something that won't happen. There are certain religions, and I think we all know which ones, that seem to believe it's their duty to force others to see things their way and to conform to their beliefs. As long as these religions are allowed to lobby for their own views--and they should be, no matter what anyone personally thinks of them--we will never have a conconsensuscensus on this issue and efforts to regulate or ban same sex marriages will persist.
I absolutely believe that we should, under no circumstances, prohibit any two people from marrying no matter what their sexual orientations. For that matter, I say if more than two people want to marry and are consenting to it we have no right to judge them or stop them. It's their life, not ours. I wish these crazy fundamentalist wackjobs would realize that and sink back into the woodworks where they belong and stop wasting our time and monetary effort to enforce their own twisted beliefs on the rest of us.
Bias warning: I'm very anti-religion, at least in the sense of organized religions.
On to the article, though... I'm very happy on a personal level that Apple and Google are speaking out against this. I do have to wonder, though, if a corporation has the right to expend monetary resources on political proceedings. Individuals certainly, large corporations... well, I don't think so. This is dangerous in its own way. I agree with others here who say this sets a dangerous precedent. This time it's gay marriage, next time it's... well, anything.

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RE[4]: Applause
by DrillSgt on Sun 26th Oct 2008 03:43 in reply to "RE[3]: Applause"
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2005-12-02

"Individuals certainly, large corporations... well, I don't think so. This is dangerous in its own way. I agree with others here who say this sets a dangerous precedent. This time it's gay marriage, next time it's... well, anything."

Well, at least here in the US it has been going on like that ..with corporations funding things..for at least 100 years maybe more. Part of politics unfortunately. Anymore it is about how much money a candidate can raise on whether they get elected or not..sad state of affairs.

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RE[4]: Applause
by andrewg on Sun 26th Oct 2008 09:23 in reply to "RE[3]: Applause"
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2005-07-06

There are certain religions, and I think we all know which ones, that seem to believe it's their duty to force others to see things their way and to conform to their beliefs. As long as these religions are allowed to lobby for their own views--and they should be, no matter what anyone personally thinks of them--we will never have a conconsensuscensus on this issue and efforts to regulate or ban same sex marriages will persist.


The problem is there is no neutral position in this matter. Marriage is either something that is intrinsically a male and female partnership or it is not. One side will force its will onto the other. If same sex marriages are recognised then that side will have forced its definition of marriage onto the society as a whole if same sex marriages are not legal then that side will have its definition of marriage prevail on society.

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RE[4]: Applause
by re_re on Sun 26th Oct 2008 10:07 in reply to "RE[3]: Applause"
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2005-07-06

>I wish these crazy fundamentalist wackjobs would realize that and sink back into the woodworks where they belong and stop wasting our time and monetary effort to enforce their own twisted beliefs on the rest of us. <

Or perhaps you are the one pushing your own twisted beliefs on the rest of us? ...

It's all a matter of perspective. You expect the religious to be tolerant of your views and to just stand back and keep their mouths shut, but you do not tolerate their views and voice yours.

I would venture to say these "fundamentalist wackjobs" are generally much more tolerant of the likes of you then you are of them.

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