Linked by David Adams on Wed 29th Oct 2008 21:04 UTC, submitted by irbis
Linux Would the internet as we know it exist without Linux? "Absolutely not", says Rich Menga. "Where Linux shines the most is in its server applications". In the 1990's "There were thousands of Mom n' Pop ISPs that operated out of a garage and the vast majority of them were all running Linux. Windows couldn't do it back then and neither could MacOS. What would you have used that you could afford? Netware? Lotus Domino? HP-UX (that requires those refrigerator-sized HP servers)? Linux was literally the only OS out there that had the right price (free), ran similar to a Unix and could use existing computers of the time to connect customers. The internet as we know it today predominantly runs on Linux. There's an extremely high probability that the internet connection you're using right now is connected through a Linux server - and routed through many other Linux servers along the way."
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RE: WTF?
by segedunum on Thu 30th Oct 2008 10:35 UTC in reply to "WTF?"
segedunum
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2005-07-06

I think this may be the dummest article ever, it's exactly like saying roads wouldn't exist without Ford.

Without decent, reasonably affordable cars are you going to have massive road growth though?

This is the type of scenario that I see many people just not getting their heads around at all because it requires a domino effect of other factors that they just don't see.

Edited 2008-10-30 10:38 UTC

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RE[2]: WTF?
by Soulbender on Thu 30th Oct 2008 10:55 in reply to "RE: WTF?"
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2005-08-18

Without decent, reasonably affordable cars are you going to have massive road growth though?


How do you know those would not have existed without Ford?

This is the type of scenario that I see many people just not getting their heads around at all because it requires a domino effect of other factors that they just don't see.


Or maybe it's because you cant remove arbitrary events from history and make even remotely ccurate predictions about what would have happened without them.

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RE[3]: WTF?
by segedunum on Thu 30th Oct 2008 12:59 in reply to "RE[2]: WTF?"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

How do you know those would not have existed without Ford?

I didn't say that. I said that roads would not have expanded in the way they did without affordable and decent cars to drive. Ford certainly played their part, but they weren't the only car manufacturer.

However, you can't equate Ford simply to Linux in this scenario. Linux was and is a freely available system, funded by its own code contributions that enabled ISPs to run web servers and networking machines where initial cost and license restrictions would basically have stopped them dead. The internet needed scale to exist as it does now, and a sustainable system in Linux provided it.

Or maybe it's because you cant remove arbitrary events from history and make even remotely ccurate predictions about what would have happened without them.

Well, yer you can because you look at the dependencies.

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RE[2]: WTF?
by BluenoseJake on Thu 30th Oct 2008 11:42 in reply to "RE: WTF?"
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2005-08-11

Roads have been around for 1000s of years. The Romans built roads that still exist in europe today.

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RE[3]: WTF?
by segedunum on Thu 30th Oct 2008 13:06 in reply to "RE[2]: WTF?"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

Roads have been around for 1000s of years. The Romans built roads that still exist in europe today.

Roads existed for all that time because of horses and carts. Roads dramatically increased and were improved this century because of the car. Roman roads themselves have been improved.

The usage of the internet increased into what it is today because of a sustainable and freely available system that actually helped providers to build the internet, and once that could be done more could be done with the internet and demand increased.

The car and road analogy isn't very accurate because the car drove demand for roads. Free software actually helped build the internet on the scale we see it in a way nothing else could, which meant more could be done which in turn drove demand still further which free software could then meet.

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