Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 30th Oct 2008 15:28 UTC, submitted by M-Saunders
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Bang on target, the new version of Ubuntu Linux is available for our downloading pleasure. Amongst various changes it sports updates to the installer, improved networking, and a new 'Mobile USB' version geared towards the blossoming netbook market. Grab a copy from the Ubuntu website, and check out Linux Format's hands-on look. Or the one at Simple Thoughts. Or the one at PolishLinux. And probably a few other websites as well.
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RE: x1950 pro AGP = blank screen
by lemur2 on Thu 30th Oct 2008 23:26 UTC in reply to "x1950 pro AGP = blank screen"
lemur2
Member since:
2007-02-17

I don't know if i'm doing anything wrong, but i updated to 8.10 from a working 8.04, and now all i get is a blank screen. Try to open a text console, and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, reboot and blank screen again. Now, i can't say i'm very happy with the new release ;)


A lot of hardware manufacturers like to actively hide information away from open source projects and write Windows-only drivers for their hardware, in some sort of hard-to-understand effort to apparently restrict the market they can sell their hardware to.

Weird, I know, but anyway ...

For this reason, IMO, it is always better to download (or get via the post) a liveCD version of a Linux distribution, and test it on your hardware before installing it. Having done that, if you keep your /home directories on a separate partition, it is possible to just fresh install the new distribution right over the top of your existing one without any loss of user data.

This doesn't help your current situation, I know, but it might be worth thinking about to avoid a recurrence of what you have now. As far as I know, none of this (liveCD to test before installing, able to download legally or get via post for a few $ only, user files on a separate partition, fresh install in 20 minutes without losing any user data) is possible with a Windows setup, so it probably is a bit of foreign thinking for many people.

Edited 2008-10-30 23:27 UTC

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DrillSgt Member since:
2005-12-02

"As far as I know, none of this (liveCD to test before installing, able to download legally or get via post for a few $ only, user files on a separate partition, fresh install in 20 minutes without losing any user data) is possible with a Windows setup, so it probably is a bit of foreign thinking for many people."

You are right on the LiveCD, download legally, and post for only a few $.

It is definitely possible and quite common in windows to have the user files kept on a separate drive or partition. Granted, that is in a business setting where there are System Administrators, and a machine off the shelf usually does everything in one large partition. Also a re-install of windows normally only takes about 20-30 minutes for me, same as with a Linux install.

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lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

It is definitely possible and quite common in windows to have the user files kept on a separate drive or partition. Granted, that is in a business setting where there are System Administrators, and a machine off the shelf usually does everything in one large partition.


Exactly so. Most users would not be at all confident in partitioning their drive, and so Microsoft sees to it that most machines are shipped with Windows occupying a single partition taking up the entire disk, which is a moderately effective strategy to keep most users from being able to dual boot (and hence discover Linux).

Wubi is your friend here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wubi_(installer)

Also a re-install of windows normally only takes about 20-30 minutes for me, same as with a Linux install.


Meh.

It typically takes a lot longer than that with three reboots for just the OS, several other installation CDs for motherboard and video card and printer drivers, also requiring a reboot each time, and yet more installation CDs for basic applications such as a virus scanner and an Office suite (some of these even requiring a reboot).

Then you may have to spend 20 minutes on the phone getting it re-activated or registered or whatever.

Typically a Windows install disk is a couple of years old, and so there will be tons of updates to download and install (some of which you really don't want but can't refuse) ... whereas an Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex liveCD (released just today) is far more up-to-date with correspondingly way less updates to contend with.

Edited 2008-10-31 00:23 UTC

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pixel8r Member since:
2007-08-11

It is definitely possible and quite common in windows to have the user files kept on a separate drive or partition. Granted, that is in a business setting where there are System Administrators, and a machine off the shelf usually does everything in one large partition. Also a re-install of windows normally only takes about 20-30 minutes for me, same as with a Linux install.


Hmm, I've tried keeping user files separate in windows and having a similar setup to the Linux way - but windows just isn't designed to work like that. Applications dont work correctly and its definitely not possible to do a fresh install of a LATER VERSION of the OS and yet still keep your data and settings intact (as it is with almost any Linux).

Also, 20-30 minutes to install windows would be ONLY the base OS. Linux could IN THEORY be installed in about 2 minutes with all the functionality that windows has "out of the box".

A windows install, whilst keeping all of your applications and settings intact (including ALL of your applications upgraded to latest versions if available), would be impossible in say less than 2 hours...
You'd need to install each application individually, and a lot of windows apps come on CD or DVD making the process a lot more tedious.

You may prefer windows for many other things and I dont question that...

but OS installs and upgrades are one area where Linux simply smashes the competition, mainly due to the UNIX-like design.

Another thing I hated about windows was when upgrading a motherboard or something - it would refuse to boot due to drivers etc and often a reinstall was necessary, followed by all my applications and then settings. In Linux, it'd just boot right up with the new hardware - no setup needed.

I know there are reasons for that - but yeah, just pointing out a couple areas where Linux really is better.

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porcel Member since:
2006-01-28

A windows installation allows you to keep data files in a separate partition, but it is hard to keep all your settings in a separate partition as those are stored in the registry and $Documents and Settings, so what you are saying is not comparable to putting home on its own partition.

/home keeps everything, settings, bookmarks, background, etc.

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r_a_trip Member since:
2005-07-06

Also a re-install of windows normally only takes about 20-30 minutes for me, same as with a Linux install.

This might be true with a fully configured disk image, but in my experience, with a regular (read: not a restore disk) Windows install CD/DVD it will take the better part of an hour. When it finally finishes, you can start installing the rest of the stuff that makes Windows usable, like vendor drivers and applications.

Desktop GNU/Linux might take the better part of an hour too, but then you have (most of) the drivers and (most of) the desktop applications running as well. It does make a difference. I'm quicker up and running with GNU/Linux than Windows.

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