Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 30th Oct 2008 15:28 UTC, submitted by M-Saunders
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Bang on target, the new version of Ubuntu Linux is available for our downloading pleasure. Amongst various changes it sports updates to the installer, improved networking, and a new 'Mobile USB' version geared towards the blossoming netbook market. Grab a copy from the Ubuntu website, and check out Linux Format's hands-on look. Or the one at Simple Thoughts. Or the one at PolishLinux. And probably a few other websites as well.
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DrillSgt
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2005-12-02

"As far as I know, none of this (liveCD to test before installing, able to download legally or get via post for a few $ only, user files on a separate partition, fresh install in 20 minutes without losing any user data) is possible with a Windows setup, so it probably is a bit of foreign thinking for many people."

You are right on the LiveCD, download legally, and post for only a few $.

It is definitely possible and quite common in windows to have the user files kept on a separate drive or partition. Granted, that is in a business setting where there are System Administrators, and a machine off the shelf usually does everything in one large partition. Also a re-install of windows normally only takes about 20-30 minutes for me, same as with a Linux install.

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lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

It is definitely possible and quite common in windows to have the user files kept on a separate drive or partition. Granted, that is in a business setting where there are System Administrators, and a machine off the shelf usually does everything in one large partition.


Exactly so. Most users would not be at all confident in partitioning their drive, and so Microsoft sees to it that most machines are shipped with Windows occupying a single partition taking up the entire disk, which is a moderately effective strategy to keep most users from being able to dual boot (and hence discover Linux).

Wubi is your friend here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wubi_(installer)

Also a re-install of windows normally only takes about 20-30 minutes for me, same as with a Linux install.


Meh.

It typically takes a lot longer than that with three reboots for just the OS, several other installation CDs for motherboard and video card and printer drivers, also requiring a reboot each time, and yet more installation CDs for basic applications such as a virus scanner and an Office suite (some of these even requiring a reboot).

Then you may have to spend 20 minutes on the phone getting it re-activated or registered or whatever.

Typically a Windows install disk is a couple of years old, and so there will be tons of updates to download and install (some of which you really don't want but can't refuse) ... whereas an Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex liveCD (released just today) is far more up-to-date with correspondingly way less updates to contend with.

Edited 2008-10-31 00:23 UTC

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DrillSgt Member since:
2005-12-02

"It typically takes a lot longer than that with three reboots for just the OS, several other installation CDs for motherboard and video card and printer drivers, also requiring a reboot each time, and yet more installation CDs for basic applications such as a virus scanner and an Office suite (some of these even requiring a reboot)."

Well, we were talking just the OS itself. To have my system totally ready from a bare system on a rebuild, with my scanner and printer working, as well as webcam and office software, takes a total time of 60 minutes. So 1 hour from bare bones to being completely ready on the windows side. For Linux in the same scenario, by the time I have it configured to see everything and work just as good as windows takes about 60 minutes as well from start to finish. In the Linux case however it is the hardware that takes a bit to get working properly, as Office software and the like is already there. I will agree with you on that point.

"Then you may have to spend 20 minutes on the phone getting it re-activated or registered or whatever."

I have heard of this, though I have never personally experienced it. Due to my constant learning and purposely breaking things at times, this system has been rebuilt with the same Windows XP retail cd about 20 times. Most likely I have not had to call as the system itself has not changed.

"Typically a Windows install disk is a couple of years old, and so there will be tons of updates to download and install (some of which you really don't want but can't refuse) ... whereas an Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex liveCD (released just today) is far more up-to-date with correspondingly way less updates to contend with."

No disagreement on this score at all. Is one place where Linux does shine IMO.

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pixel8r Member since:
2007-08-11

It is definitely possible and quite common in windows to have the user files kept on a separate drive or partition. Granted, that is in a business setting where there are System Administrators, and a machine off the shelf usually does everything in one large partition. Also a re-install of windows normally only takes about 20-30 minutes for me, same as with a Linux install.


Hmm, I've tried keeping user files separate in windows and having a similar setup to the Linux way - but windows just isn't designed to work like that. Applications dont work correctly and its definitely not possible to do a fresh install of a LATER VERSION of the OS and yet still keep your data and settings intact (as it is with almost any Linux).

Also, 20-30 minutes to install windows would be ONLY the base OS. Linux could IN THEORY be installed in about 2 minutes with all the functionality that windows has "out of the box".

A windows install, whilst keeping all of your applications and settings intact (including ALL of your applications upgraded to latest versions if available), would be impossible in say less than 2 hours...
You'd need to install each application individually, and a lot of windows apps come on CD or DVD making the process a lot more tedious.

You may prefer windows for many other things and I dont question that...

but OS installs and upgrades are one area where Linux simply smashes the competition, mainly due to the UNIX-like design.

Another thing I hated about windows was when upgrading a motherboard or something - it would refuse to boot due to drivers etc and often a reinstall was necessary, followed by all my applications and then settings. In Linux, it'd just boot right up with the new hardware - no setup needed.

I know there are reasons for that - but yeah, just pointing out a couple areas where Linux really is better.

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DrillSgt Member since:
2005-12-02

"A windows install, whilst keeping all of your applications and settings intact (including ALL of your applications upgraded to latest versions if available), would be impossible in say less than 2 hours...
You'd need to install each application individually, and a lot of windows apps come on CD or DVD making the process a lot more tedious."


I honestly disagree with your time frame. I know for a fact on my machine it really does only take 60 minutes from bare bones to fully functional, and that includes all my programs and hardware. The 2 largest applications I have are MS Office 2007 and Nero 7. Office only takes 5 minutes to install, and Nero about the same. The rest all take around 2 minutes each at best. I do have a slipstreamed install I use with the latest updates, so I will concede if I actually had to download all the Windows updates, it would take quite a bit more time.

"I know there are reasons for that - but yeah, just pointing out a couple areas where Linux really is better."

No arguments. I use Linux mostly, Windows when I need to as required by either my job or gaming. What I was answering was nothing about being better or not, just that the items can be done and it does work. For work I am more productive on a Linux host, running a VMWare server with a Windows guest then I am running straight Windows. I Sysadmin a mixed environment with both windows and *nix, mostly *nix actually. As I have always said on any forums..whatever the right tool is for the job at hand. Just make sure the toolbox is big enough to have them all and not limit yourself. ;)

Edited 2008-10-31 03:45 UTC

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porcel Member since:
2006-01-28

A windows installation allows you to keep data files in a separate partition, but it is hard to keep all your settings in a separate partition as those are stored in the registry and $Documents and Settings, so what you are saying is not comparable to putting home on its own partition.

/home keeps everything, settings, bookmarks, background, etc.

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DrillSgt Member since:
2005-12-02

"A windows installation allows you to keep data files in a separate partition, but it is hard to keep all your settings in a separate partition as those are stored in the registry and $Documents and Settings, so what you are saying is not comparable to putting home on its own partition.

/home keeps everything, settings, bookmarks, background, etc."


Never said otherwise. I was just saying it can be done, to include the whole Documents and Settings folder existing elsewhere besides the C drive. Or rather the people folders in them.

It all becomes a moot point when the / takes up the whole hard drive so reinstalling wipes out the home folder. All too common unfortunately.

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r_a_trip Member since:
2005-07-06

Also a re-install of windows normally only takes about 20-30 minutes for me, same as with a Linux install.

This might be true with a fully configured disk image, but in my experience, with a regular (read: not a restore disk) Windows install CD/DVD it will take the better part of an hour. When it finally finishes, you can start installing the rest of the stuff that makes Windows usable, like vendor drivers and applications.

Desktop GNU/Linux might take the better part of an hour too, but then you have (most of) the drivers and (most of) the desktop applications running as well. It does make a difference. I'm quicker up and running with GNU/Linux than Windows.

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