Linked by Adam S on Tue 4th Nov 2008 19:24 UTC, submitted by estherschindler
Despite warnings to businesses about the dangers of skipping Windows Vista, many IT managers and CIOs are standing firm that the risks of migrating to Vista outweigh the benefits.
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RE[2]: Good to see this!
by obsidian on Wed 5th Nov 2008 01:19 UTC in reply to "RE: Good to see this! "
obsidian
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2007-05-12

"It's really good to see that a growing number of IT decision-makers are finally seeing that there are alternatives to Windows. " Huh?? The article had nothing to do with alternatives to Windows. The article was about not enough ROI and that most were sticking with Windows XP. Please read before posting.

The article was about firms "skipping Vista". Some firms (already having XP) will be sticking with it.
Others (not mentioned in the article) will be looking around to see if there are alternatives out there (and if they do not, they are poor IT managers).

Please consider the big picture before posting... ;)

Edited 2008-11-05 01:20 UTC

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RE[3]: Good to see this!
by DrillSgt on Wed 5th Nov 2008 04:15 in reply to "RE[2]: Good to see this! "
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2005-12-02

"Please consider the big picture before posting... ;) "

I always consider the big picture. That is why every OS has it's place in my shops. I do not play favorites, and keep OSS out of places where it does not belong, just as I keep proprietary out of places it does not belong ;) . The big picture includes all the OS's, this article however was not about that ;)

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RE[4]: Good to see this!
by obsidian on Wed 5th Nov 2008 08:21 in reply to "RE[3]: Good to see this! "
obsidian Member since:
2007-05-12

"Please consider the big picture before posting... ;) "

I always consider the big picture. That is why every OS has it's place in my shops. I do not play favorites, and keep OSS out of places where it does not belong, just as I keep proprietary out of places it does not belong ;) . The big picture includes all the OS's, this article however was not about that ;)


Correct indeed... at last we agree on something... ;)

I agree that the article was not about "all of the OS's". However, OS's other than Windows do form part of the big picture, as you've rightly mentioned.

My original post was simply aimed at giving praise where it is very due - that there are at last a few IT shops around who are realising that they do not have to stay in lockstep with Microsoft. Aaron Seigo (one of the KDE developers) has highlighted this in one of his blog posts here -
http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/10/next-battle-lines.html

That is all I was getting at - to quote him, "the market has choice and it knows it".

The more that this happens, the better it is for everyone.

Now, I'll fade back into the woodwork and watch my ratings plumb the depths... ;)

Edited 2008-11-05 08:28 UTC

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RE[3]: Good to see this!
by Bully on Wed 5th Nov 2008 13:17 in reply to "RE[2]: Good to see this! "
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2006-04-07


The article was about firms "skipping Vista". Some firms (already having XP) will be sticking with it.
Others (not mentioned in the article) will be looking around to see if there are alternatives out there (and if they do not, they are poor IT managers).

Please consider the big picture before posting... ;)


'Skipping Vista' automaticly indicate Windows users who use an older verions of Windows (xp) and are 'skipping' Vista in favor of the next version (Windows 7).
So there are no 'others' in relation to this shipping story.

I think you really just didn't read the article and then when you got confronted with it, you tried to wiggle your way out of it.

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RE[3]: Good to see this!
by BluenoseJake on Wed 5th Nov 2008 17:09 in reply to "RE[2]: Good to see this! "
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2005-08-11

Poor IT managers? People who don't look for alternatives to things that work just fine are poor managers? A poor IT manager is a manager who changes OS for no good reason. If XP is working fine, then why upgrade to Vista? Move to another OS? I don't think so.

I'm not moving my users to Vista, or looking for an alternative. I am letting my users get their work done. That's what a good IT manager does. We are there to support the business.

If there is a good business case, to upgrade or change to something else, then I would do it. But there isn't.

Edited 2008-11-05 17:10 UTC

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RE[4]: Good to see this!
by MysterMask on Fri 7th Nov 2008 00:01 in reply to "RE[3]: Good to see this! "
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2005-07-12


If there is a good business case, to upgrade or change to something else, then I would do it. But there isn't.


Waiting till circumstances forces you to change to something else doesn't sound like good risk management (and hence IT management). Looking for alternatives to the current environment doesn't mean that you have to perturb users. And lowering vendor dependencies to gain flexibility during times when you are not immediately forced to take actions isn't bad either.

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RE[3]: Good to see this!
by de_wizze on Thu 6th Nov 2008 12:29 in reply to "RE[2]: Good to see this! "
de_wizze Member since:
2005-10-31

IT managers who are pressure into allowing sales people run their environment are the ones in a poor state of being. Alternatives do exist and are applicable where appropriate. What they shouldn't be doing is relying on sales people to decide whether or not they need to change their environment. Who better to have a big picture out look of your environment than you the IT manager... well maybe your users but then that is where you need to be able to interpret their needs properly.

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