Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 5th Nov 2008 16:12 UTC, submitted by Michael
Windows I collect manuals. I have so many of them, that I'm starting to wonder where on earth I'm supposed to put them all. Somewhere in the back of a closet, I keep all my manuals in three huge boxes, with manuals dating from the early '80s to just a few days ago when I bought a new mouse. However, none of them are as dear to my as my extensive, fully illustrated Dutch manuals for Windows 3.0, which accompanied my parents' first PC in 1990. An enormously detailed manual covering every aspect of Windows 3.0 - with special sleeves for the various floppy disks that held the Windows 3.0 operating system. I still have those original floppies, and they're still fully functional. Last week, the era of Windows 3.x finally came to an end when Microsoft ceased to give out licenses for the operating system.
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RE: Time to leave
by Laurence on Wed 5th Nov 2008 22:16 UTC in reply to "Time to leave"
Laurence
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2007-03-26

I keep 3.11 WfW around, installed in Dosbox.

3.x succeeded because it ran on top of DOS (unlike OS/2). Microsoft was selling a popular MSDOS at the time and succeeded in pushing this to people. Simple OS, but a leap forward from DOS shell. And much less buggy than the 95 version.

MS should just give it for free now, even if it's against their philosophy. Releasing source also wouldn't harm, although I don't want to see yet another ancient OS revival.


But is Win3.x technically an OS considering it just sat on top of DOS?
And, more importantly, would any programmers really be interested in reviving a GUI for DOS given how irrellevent DOS OS is these days*?


* irrellevent in the 'pure OS' sense. Sure people use DOS shells in NT for speed / scripting or DOSBOX on *nix for backward compatability with MS-DOS applications, but that's hardly the same as running DOS as purely as an OS (thus demanding a need for a windows front-end).

Edited 2008-11-05 22:34 UTC

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RE[2]: Time to leave
by poundsmack on Wed 5th Nov 2008 22:31 in reply to "RE: Time to leave"
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2005-07-13

DOS is still plrenty relivant in the embded world. http://www.datalight.com/products/romdos/ datalight's ROM DOS for example is used in certain markets where i have worked. I run into DR Doss every now and then as well. DOS is still around, it will likely never truly die. (flash to 30 years in the future: SkyNet it powered by MS DOS 6, that somehow became sentiant). "C DOS RUN, Run DOS Run"

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RE[3]: Time to leave
by Laurence on Wed 5th Nov 2008 22:43 in reply to "RE[2]: Time to leave"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

Yeah, but the embedded DOS world already has specialised software written. They don't need clock / calc / winfile / pbrush / sol / etc. And even if (huge 'if') they did "need" Win3.x - even if they did have 16bit applications that couldn't be run under WINE or on Windows 9x or NT, even if all of that was true and porting the software to 32bit wasn't an option - they wouldn't need a special hacked win3.x fork project when they already have fully functional licences for the working vanilla 3.x.

So I stand by my original statement - who would possibly want or need the source to fork windows 3.x?

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RE[3]: Time to leave
by hollovoid on Thu 6th Nov 2008 01:24 in reply to "RE[2]: Time to leave"
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2005-09-21

We still use dos on our touchscreens that control alot of equipment where I work, and they only were put on a couple years ago (all toggle switches before that) and I suspect we will continue using it because its so easy to write the software for it, unlike the proprietary Allen Bradley systems (not that dos isnt, but AB stuff makes microsoft look like OSS) that cost a fortune. Its actually very stable, and best of all runs on our siemens simatic plcs extremely underpowered processors with no issues.

Edited 2008-11-06 01:25 UTC

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RE[2]: Time to leave
by StephenBeDoper on Thu 6th Nov 2008 02:39 in reply to "RE: Time to leave"
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2005-07-06

But is Win3.x technically an OS considering it just sat on top of DOS?


It's been argued that DOS wasn't truly an OS either ;)

The line of reasoning that I tend to agree with is that the combination of the two (Win3.x and DOS) formed something that vaguely resembled an OS, but neither were truly OSes on their own.

And, more importantly, would any programmers really be interested in reviving a GUI for DOS given how irrellevent DOS OS is these days*?


There are still people working on FreeDOS, so I expect there would be at least one or two crazy folk who would be interested in the source code (even if just to critique/criticize the quality of the code).

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RE[3]: Time to leave
by helf on Thu 6th Nov 2008 02:59 in reply to "RE[2]: Time to leave"
helf Member since:
2005-07-06

you could compare it to the likes of Gnome or KDE... neither are OSes, but both provide their own world for programs to live in.

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RE[3]: Time to leave
by Doc Pain on Thu 6th Nov 2008 06:42 in reply to "RE[2]: Time to leave"
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2006-10-08

It's been argued that DOS wasn't truly an OS either ;)


At least when applying some common criteria, DOS lacks means to install / delete / update programs (this is what the programs do have to on their own), means for diagnostics and maintenance, and program execution control (well, you could only run one program at a time - TSR programs aside).

Being impolite, you could say that DOS = FAT file system + COMMAND.COM CLI. Taking this into mind, it's obvious what DOS + "Windows" would be: FAT file system + COMMAND.COM CLI + GUI. :-)

The line of reasoning that I tend to agree with is that the combination of the two (Win3.x and DOS) formed something that vaguely resembled an OS, but neither were truly OSes on their own.


That's a good statement. But finally, most things would depend on the user to do. Of couse, DOS and "Windows" belong to an era without Internet connection, so most considerations about today's OSs would not apply here.

There are still people working on FreeDOS, so I expect there would be at least one or two crazy folk who would be interested in the source code (even if just to critique/criticize the quality of the code).


Many years ago, I even build a video editing system running on top of DOS: three VCRs (two players, one recorder), a relay interface controlled via a DOS box (I think it was an 80286, no hard disk, just a floppy). So it wasn't that useless. :-)

Edited 2008-11-06 06:44 UTC

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