Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 6th Nov 2008 14:33 UTC
Windows Microsoft's Windows Hardware Engineering Conference (WinHEC) is in full swing this week, hot on the heels of the recent PDC. The main subject is, of course, Windows 7. This being a conference focused on hardware makers, Microsoft made a whole slew of announcements related to how Windows 7 will deal with hardware.
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Comment by mkools
by mkools on Thu 6th Nov 2008 16:20 UTC
mkools
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2005-10-11

If Microsoft had any business sense, they would provide a free upgrade to anyone who has an original windows vista license. That would do more for their reputation than any major marketing campaign could and it would give them a much needed public relations boost.

Dream on, if they did that they would indirectly admit that Vista sucks.

RE: Comment by mkools
by Kroc on Thu 6th Nov 2008 18:28 in reply to "Comment by mkools"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

So ignoring the hole in the floor on the sinking ship will allow for smooth sailing ahead?

(Just a bit of humour, I find 7 to be a potential step in the right direction)

Edited 2008-11-06 18:29 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by mkools
by lemur2 on Tue 11th Nov 2008 22:41 in reply to "RE: Comment by mkools"
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2007-02-17

So ignoring the hole in the floor on the sinking ship will allow for smooth sailing ahead? (Just a bit of humour, I find 7 to be a potential step in the right direction)


http://blogs.computerworld.com/the_big_windows_7_lie

Maybe not.

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RE: Comment by mkools
by TemporalBeing on Thu 6th Nov 2008 18:30 in reply to "Comment by mkools"
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2007-08-22

If Microsoft had any business sense, they would provide a free upgrade to anyone who has an original windows vista license. That would do more for their reputation than any major marketing campaign could and it would give them a much needed public relations boost.

Dream on, if they did that they would indirectly admit that Vista sucks.


They did it for Outlook 97.
Of course, they also blatantly said that Outlook 97 was too buggy, and that they were giving Outlook 98 to anyone with Outlook 97 for exactly that reason.

However, they also didn't make a lot of money on Outlook 97 - it was a new part of Office in its first release, and not heavily relied upon, nor did people buy office just for Outlook at that point (probably still don't).

Don't expect them to do the same thing with one of the two products that keeps the entire multi-billion dollar company afloat. (The other being the entire MS Office suite.)

To be equivalent to what they did for Outlook 97 - they'd have to give away an upgrade for an entire version of Office (e.g. Office 2003 to Office 2007), which they won't ever do.

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RE: Comment by mkools
by MysterMask on Fri 7th Nov 2008 02:09 in reply to "Comment by mkools"
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2005-07-12

Dream on, if they did that they would indirectly admit that Vista sucks.


They already did that (by announcing that 7 is a 'fine tuned' version of Vista) - the whole "7" marketing so far is along the lines of "it suckes less than vista".

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RE[2]: Comment by mkools
by Panajev on Fri 7th Nov 2008 08:36 in reply to "RE: Comment by mkools"
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2008-01-09

"Dream on, if they did that they would indirectly admit that Vista sucks.


They already did that (by announcing that 7 is a 'fine tuned' version of Vista) - the whole "7" marketing so far is along the lines of "it suckes less than vista".
"

By that logic MacOS X Snow Leopard is fixing the sucky MacOS X Leopard (since that too did not promise a revolution, but an evolution over its predecessor) ;) .

Politics, ethics, you can make a lot of arguments from a lot of angles...

Fact is Vista ran and runs well on HW with moderate specs: I used to run, did so for almost two years, Vista from RC1 to SP1 on a Acer Aspire laptop with 1 GB of RAM, 1.67 GHz Core Duo (2 MB L2 cache) and a GeForce Go 7300M with 64 MB of local memory and I do not call that uber-recent HW.

Vista made a lot of under-the-hood changes which MS should be commended for, Windows 7 (with Direct2D, Direct Write) is completing the API catch-up with Apple's Quartz/Quartz Extreme (which on a platform like Windows is not exactly trivial... GDI/GDI+ is hard to kill) thanks to the fundamental changes taken during Vista's development... there would be no WDDM 1.1 without WDDM 1.0.

MS made mistakes while developing Vista and the early performance issues and compatibility problems as well as the fact the UI could be much more consistent, but remember that Acer Laptop I mentioned a few lines above... well I was asked to put XP back on it from the person (my father) who I gave the PC to after I got my new laptop and I also had to spend some time configuring it, installing apps, etc... I cannot get used to XP and its slow refreshing GUI any longer... I do not know how people can go back to it from Vista... maybe it is a limitation of mine, but I really do prefer Vista to XP.

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