Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 11th Nov 2008 20:39 UTC
Windows Back in 1983, 25 years ago, the world was quite different. The market for the home computer - still a fairly new market - was wide open, but Apple was about to make a major splash with its Macintosh. It was also the year in which a company from Redmond first introduced its "Windows" operating system. What is this Windows you speak of?
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Let's not celebrate this day
by zaine_ridling on Tue 11th Nov 2008 23:15 UTC
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Windows was bad its first decade, extremely buggy in its second, and its third has been an embarrassing failure with Vista, especially when juxtaposed to the exponential growth of Apple and GNU/Linux on PCs.

And now that Vista's been left for dead by Ballmer, Microsoft pulls the same ol' hat out of the box: LET'S HYPE THE NEXT VERSION OF VAPORS!! (Win7)

Let's not.

Edited 2008-11-11 23:17 UTC

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darknexus Member since:

Whether you hate Windows or love it, no matter what you think of Microsoft, they did do one thing well--they brought computers out of obscurity into the mainstream for Joe Public. Granted, if MS hadn't done it someone else would have--and perhaps that would have been for the better--but like it or not, Windows has a very important role in the progression of the home computer.
Edit: wrong tense in the first sentence.

Edited 2008-11-12 01:42 UTC

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rcsteiner Member since:

We had Apple II machines in our junior high and high schools in the Twin Cities in 1979/1980, and many of my friends had Apple II machines in their homes as well.

Microsoft Windows may have helped computer popularity in its day, but Apple had already made the personal computer a popular item several years before Microsoft became a factor.

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RE: Let's not celebrate this day
by cb_osn on Wed 12th Nov 2008 05:28 in reply to "Let's not celebrate this day"
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Windows was bad its first decade, extremely buggy in its second, and its third has been an embarrassing failure with Vista

Of all the normal people I've talked to, none of them like or dislike Vista any more than they liked or disliked any previous version of Windows. The vitriol slung at Vista from the increasingly active blogosphere has, in reality, been a collective hope for failure rather than an accurate reporting of it.

especially when juxtaposed to the exponential growth of Apple

Apple's growth has been tremendous. Partly because of the iPod halo effect and partly because the company has a knack for being able to provide a solid user experience. All of my PCs run Windows, but I only buy Apple notebooks because when I'm sitting on a plane or in a hotel halfway around the world, I want my computer to just work, and my trusty G4 PowerBook hasn't let me down yet. I've seen this trend everywhere-- in schools, parks, cafes and coffee shops, there is usually an equal ratio of Apple to non-Apple notebooks.

and GNU/Linux on PCs.

Open source in general has been an astonishing success and Linux has a commanding share in the server market, but don't fool yourself. Despite the growing device driver collection, the efforts of the KDE developers to provide real, coherent application development frameworks, and the charitable marketing provided by Canonical, Linux still remains a niche desktop operating system and provides an unpleasant experience for most users. It's come a long way from the TWM/FVWM days and is certainly improving, but it's not there yet and it's not eroding the Windows userbase in any significant number.

That said, show a little bit of respect for Windows. You may not like it or Microsoft, but Windows was the face of the PC revolution. And that is a good thing because any of the alternatives at the time would have left us with one proprietary hardware/OS vendor. Windows may have a lock on the OS world, but at least Gates had the foresight to encourage diversity in hardware. The result is the expansive computing ecosystem that we have today.

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DeadFishMan Member since:

I'd agree with everything that you said except the part about Vista "failure" being overhyped only on the blogosphere. The attitude that I see mostly is that people really hate it at first and then just get used to it just like a human being can get used to something truly bad, no matter what. It could be that the entry level computers that are sold with Vista here in Brazil barely meet the minimum specs to run Vista and few people outside geeks see the need to spend lots of cash to purchase more powerful gear. The only people that I know that truly like it are gamers - who usually have a powerful rig and dig the bling - and Microsophiles, with their MCP certifications and the likes.

Some people, like my brother-in-law's son go out of their way to remove it immediately and replace it with a pirated XP copy: I've been called to do it more than once and I know that I'm not the only one doing it.

Personally, I think that it is OK: don't use it much to be honest and haven't made any active effort to acquire it - it came with the laptop when I purchased it. But given the specs, I can tell that I am disappointed with its performance. It is not THAT slow, but it surely should do a lot better.

But I can certainly understand where all that frustration comes from If I were permanently stuck with Windows like most people is...

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RE: Let's not celebrate this day
by dwave on Wed 12th Nov 2008 07:46 in reply to "Let's not celebrate this day"
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You are of right. But the majority of the users today don't have real experience with a multitude of operating systems and just some flavor of Windows to do basic stuff at home or to play games. I still think that for those users Windows is perfectly OK. In a professional environment of course, Windows sucks ass - which is also good, because Microsoft's fails in this environment were always a license to print money. It-Managers who are willing to use Windows on a corporate network level are usually also willing to pay through the nose to get the most basic things done. Like auditing, pen testing, monitoring - and of course replacing one or more mission critical systems with Debian Linux.
In these 25 years another funny thing happened: Users got so used to Windows, especially the younger ones, that today they think that computers are supposed to be exactly like that. There is a lack of sense for quality on the consumer market for operating systems.

Edited 2008-11-12 07:48 UTC

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