Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 17th Nov 2008 19:19 UTC, submitted by AdamW
Mandriva, Mandrake, Lycoris Thanks to the Mandriva Xfce volunteer development team, a community Xfce One edition of Mandriva Linux 2009 is now available for download from all official Mandriva mirrors. A list of download locations can be found on the Wiki page. This release gives you all the benefits of Mandriva Linux 2009 along with a fast and stable Xfce desktop.
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This does actually fill a need
by mounty on Tue 18th Nov 2008 00:51 UTC
mounty
Member since:
2005-12-12

Mandriva have put in a lot of work to automatic hardware detection. This is an ideal distribution for a non-techie. The only problem is the bloated KDE 4.1 desktop. It's much slower than Windows XP on say a 1 GHz processor and 256 MiB RAM; but with Xfce instead of KDE, it is highly competitive.

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UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

The only problem is the bloated KDE 4.1 desktop. It's much slower than Windows XP on say a 1 GHz processor and 256 MiB RAM; but with Xfce instead of KDE, it is highly competitive.

Yeah, I've tried several KDE4 live CDs and noticed they all have one thing in common: they're slow as hell, to the point of locking up my machine with a 1.7GHz P4 and 256 megs of RAM. I thought, well, it could be that they're live CDs and maybe not set to use swap for whatever reason, badly laid out on disc, or maybe just KDE4 is not "ready" yet. After all, I have tried a few alpha and beta live CD demos.

I tried installing the kubuntu-desktop package after attempting an in-place upgrade to Ubuntu 8.10 to get a first-hand experience with KDE4, hoping for the best. The environment is at 4.1 or somewhere around there, and KDE were saying it should be mostly up to par with the original plans by then. Well... Ubuntu did do its upgrade and install KDE4 fine, but... the DE ran (err... crawled) like as POS. No lockups, but everything else remained.

Couple that with the fact that new versions of pretty much all the other major distros supporting KDE4 continue to lock up, give errors, and just run slow as hell... apparently I shouldn't have given KDE the chance. KDE4 is just a bloated desktop environment.

Disappointing that so many "big" distros are so quick to ditch KDE3, which is actually relatively light. Honestly, KDE4 reminds me of Vista in terms of its huge footprint. Hopefully Slackware releases one more with KDE3 before switching to the new release.

Edited 2008-11-18 01:24 UTC

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_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17

I don't quite get why some people are finding kde 4.1 slow and bloated.

All my progs start really fast and are generally quite responsive. There used to be some serious slowness with nvidia but the latest beta has nearly completely removed those problems...

A couple of things are still really slow i.e. nepomuk but generally don't interfere.

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lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

I tried installing the kubuntu-desktop package after attempting an in-place upgrade to Ubuntu 8.10 to get a first-hand experience with KDE4, hoping for the best. The environment is at 4.1 or somewhere around there, and KDE were saying it should be mostly up to par with the original plans by then. Well... Ubuntu did do its upgrade and install KDE4 fine, but... the DE ran (err... crawled) like as POS. No lockups, but everything else remained.

Couple that with the fact that new versions of pretty much all the other major distros supporting KDE4 continue to lock up, give errors, and just run slow as hell... apparently I shouldn't have given KDE the chance. KDE4 is just a bloated desktop environment.


Do you have a Nvidia video card by any chance?

http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/Is_KDE_4.1_for_you%3F#Graphic...

If you are affected by this nvidia 2D driver perfomance bug, then KDE 4 will be horribly slow for you ... no matter what distribution.

Unique amongst Linux desktops, KDE 4 uses the GPU to accelerate the desktop. This works absolutely fine, and makes KDE 4 the fastest Linux desktop ... unless your graphics driver is broken like Nvidia's is.

This is a nvidia driver bug, not a KDE 4 bug nor a Linux distribution bug.

Honestly, KDE4 reminds me of Vista in terms of its huge footprint.


You need to check facts before you post.

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/12/14/kde-uses-les...

http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3138

Edited 2008-11-18 04:26 UTC

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

they're slow as hell, to the point of locking up my machine with a 1.7GHz P4 and 256 megs of RAM.


Get more RAM? Seriously.

KDE4 (Kubuntu) does run very snappy on my Compaq Presario (1.7Ghz, Code Duo, 1Gb RAM) and KWin sure as hell handles eye-candy more stable than Compiz.
I dont know what this "slow and locks up" is about. It sure is helluva faster than Vista ever was on this laptop and I havent had it lock up. Granted, KDE4 is still rough around the edges but it's good enough for me to use every day at work.

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lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

Mandriva have put in a lot of work to automatic hardware detection. This is an ideal distribution for a non-techie. The only problem is the bloated KDE 4.1 desktop. It's much slower than Windows XP on say a 1 GHz processor and 256 MiB RAM; but with Xfce instead of KDE, it is highly competitive.


Au contraire, KDE 4.1 is the fastest desktop ... on suitable hardware.

There is a severe Nvidia bug in their binary driver for Linux that causes Xrender to be many times SLOWER than software graphics rendering (as used by all other Linux desktops). KDE 4.1 uses either the Xrender or OpenGL APIs to allow the GPU to render the desktop. For any graphics card and driver, other than Nvidia card using Nvidia's binary driver for Linux, KDE 4.1 renders many times FASTER than any other non-accelerated desktop.

Mandriva One 2009.0 is arguably the best distribution to use for netbooks. It supports most netbook hardware out of the box.

Having said that ... KDE 4.1 performance on netbooks is a bit pedestrian. The Intel GMA graphics hardware is barely accelerated at all. So the stock Mandriva install is uninspiring on a netbbok.

I am currently using Xubuntu on my MSI Wind U100. This distribution has three problems:

(1) The RTL8178SE miniwifi-card of the MSI Wind U100 has no native Linux driver in Xubuntu 8.10. The OEM is working on it, but their driver is still in development and has not made it into the Xubuntu 8.10 version of the kernel. One has to go through some extra steps to get the wifi working correctly. http://code.google.com/p/msi-wind-linux/

(2) The bluetooth stack for the Intrepid series of distributions is broken. The downstream developer apparently has thrown a wobbly about letting users enter their own PIN. One has to take special steps to correct this.

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez-utils/+bug/274950
https://launchpad.net/~bluetooth/+archive

(3) XFCE includes some large dialog boxes which do not fit properly on a netbook reduced screen size. This is really just an annoyance.

I am hopeful that, given Mandriva's attention to the netbook scene, that at least the first two of these is corrected by this release of Mandriva 2009.0 XFCE.

If so, this release will have the best out-of-the-box support for the MSI Wind U100 of any Linux distribution to date.

XFCE is a farily good fit for netbooks (apart from the odd over-large dialog box), it is lightweight enough yet powerful enough also. XFCE also has no Mono dependencies. I'm personally downloading this Mandriva 2009.0 XFCE release right now to try it out on my MSI Wind U100 netbook.

Edited 2008-11-18 02:40 UTC

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mounty Member since:
2005-12-12

Au contraire, KDE 4.1 is the fastest desktop ... on suitable hardware.

Rather than au contraire, I think you mean however.

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AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

"There is a severe Nvidia bug in their binary driver for Linux that causes Xrender to be many times SLOWER than software graphics rendering (as used by all other Linux desktops). KDE 4.1 uses either the Xrender or OpenGL APIs to allow the GPU to render the desktop. For any graphics card and driver, other than Nvidia card using Nvidia's binary driver for Linux, KDE 4.1 renders many times FASTER than any other non-accelerated desktop."

This mostly doesn't really affect Mandriva 2009. We added a hack to apply the nvidia-settings tweaks that fix it on most hardware, out of the box.

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AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

"Having said that ... KDE 4.1 performance on netbooks is a bit pedestrian. The Intel GMA graphics hardware is barely accelerated at all. So the stock Mandriva install is uninspiring on a netbbok."

There isn't really a 'stock Mandriva install' in this case. One KDE and One GNOME are equally 'premier' editions, and we'd probably recommend GNOME rather than KDE for netbooks. If you install Free or Powerpack on a netbook (one for which we have a detection heuristic, anyway), it will default to GNOME rather than KDE.

We mostly actually recommend LXDE (as mentioned in later comments) on netbooks. 'urpmi task-lxde' will install it on any Mandriva 2009 system. We did have a plan to do a special 'netbook edition' USB image based on LXDE, but I'm not sure we're going to have the time to get that done - it still may happen, though.

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