Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 17th Nov 2008 19:19 UTC, submitted by AdamW
Mandriva, Mandrake, Lycoris Thanks to the Mandriva Xfce volunteer development team, a community Xfce One edition of Mandriva Linux 2009 is now available for download from all official Mandriva mirrors. A list of download locations can be found on the Wiki page. This release gives you all the benefits of Mandriva Linux 2009 along with a fast and stable Xfce desktop.
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RE: This does actually fill a need
by lemur2 on Tue 18th Nov 2008 02:32 UTC in reply to "This does actually fill a need"
lemur2
Member since:
2007-02-17

Mandriva have put in a lot of work to automatic hardware detection. This is an ideal distribution for a non-techie. The only problem is the bloated KDE 4.1 desktop. It's much slower than Windows XP on say a 1 GHz processor and 256 MiB RAM; but with Xfce instead of KDE, it is highly competitive.


Au contraire, KDE 4.1 is the fastest desktop ... on suitable hardware.

There is a severe Nvidia bug in their binary driver for Linux that causes Xrender to be many times SLOWER than software graphics rendering (as used by all other Linux desktops). KDE 4.1 uses either the Xrender or OpenGL APIs to allow the GPU to render the desktop. For any graphics card and driver, other than Nvidia card using Nvidia's binary driver for Linux, KDE 4.1 renders many times FASTER than any other non-accelerated desktop.

Mandriva One 2009.0 is arguably the best distribution to use for netbooks. It supports most netbook hardware out of the box.

Having said that ... KDE 4.1 performance on netbooks is a bit pedestrian. The Intel GMA graphics hardware is barely accelerated at all. So the stock Mandriva install is uninspiring on a netbbok.

I am currently using Xubuntu on my MSI Wind U100. This distribution has three problems:

(1) The RTL8178SE miniwifi-card of the MSI Wind U100 has no native Linux driver in Xubuntu 8.10. The OEM is working on it, but their driver is still in development and has not made it into the Xubuntu 8.10 version of the kernel. One has to go through some extra steps to get the wifi working correctly. http://code.google.com/p/msi-wind-linux/

(2) The bluetooth stack for the Intrepid series of distributions is broken. The downstream developer apparently has thrown a wobbly about letting users enter their own PIN. One has to take special steps to correct this.

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez-utils/+bug/274950
https://launchpad.net/~bluetooth/+archive

(3) XFCE includes some large dialog boxes which do not fit properly on a netbook reduced screen size. This is really just an annoyance.

I am hopeful that, given Mandriva's attention to the netbook scene, that at least the first two of these is corrected by this release of Mandriva 2009.0 XFCE.

If so, this release will have the best out-of-the-box support for the MSI Wind U100 of any Linux distribution to date.

XFCE is a farily good fit for netbooks (apart from the odd over-large dialog box), it is lightweight enough yet powerful enough also. XFCE also has no Mono dependencies. I'm personally downloading this Mandriva 2009.0 XFCE release right now to try it out on my MSI Wind U100 netbook.

Edited 2008-11-18 02:40 UTC

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mounty Member since:
2005-12-12

Au contraire, KDE 4.1 is the fastest desktop ... on suitable hardware.

Rather than au contraire, I think you mean however.

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lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

Au contraire, KDE 4.1 is the fastest desktop ... on suitable hardware. Rather than au contraire, I think you mean however.


Actually, no. I actually meant "au contraire", which means "quite the opposite".

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/au_contraire

The claim was this:
The only problem is the bloated KDE 4.1 desktop. It's much slower than Windows XP on say a 1 GHz processor and 256 MiB RAM


KDE 4.1 desktop is in fact faster than Windows XP ... on hardware which has a graphics GPU with a working 2D driver for Linux.

KDE 4.1 uses the GPU to accelerate the rendering of the desktop graphics. Windows XP doesn't, it uses software to render the desktop graphics.

Of course, on systems where there is a bug in the 2D graphics driver that makes the GPU render many times SLOWER than software rendering, KDE 4.1 won't work at all well on such a system, and this graphics bug could give people the mistaken impression that KDE 4.1 is slow and bloated.

Edited 2008-11-18 05:56 UTC

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AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

"There is a severe Nvidia bug in their binary driver for Linux that causes Xrender to be many times SLOWER than software graphics rendering (as used by all other Linux desktops). KDE 4.1 uses either the Xrender or OpenGL APIs to allow the GPU to render the desktop. For any graphics card and driver, other than Nvidia card using Nvidia's binary driver for Linux, KDE 4.1 renders many times FASTER than any other non-accelerated desktop."

This mostly doesn't really affect Mandriva 2009. We added a hack to apply the nvidia-settings tweaks that fix it on most hardware, out of the box.

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lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

"There is a severe Nvidia bug in their binary driver for Linux that causes Xrender to be many times SLOWER than software graphics rendering (as used by all other Linux desktops). KDE 4.1 uses either the Xrender or OpenGL APIs to allow the GPU to render the desktop. For any graphics card and driver, other than Nvidia card using Nvidia's binary driver for Linux, KDE 4.1 renders many times FASTER than any other non-accelerated desktop."

This mostly doesn't really affect Mandriva 2009. We added a hack to apply the nvidia-settings tweaks that fix it on most hardware, out of the box.


Very good move. Without doing that there would have been all sorts of reports all over the Internet that Mandriva 2009.0 was "slow and buggy" because of the Nvidia bug.

As it is ... you just don't hear very much about it any more as far as reviews go. That means the naysayers have had to shut up and go all quite ...

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DeadFishMan Member since:
2006-01-09

"There is a severe Nvidia bug in their binary driver for Linux that causes Xrender to be many times SLOWER than software graphics rendering (as used by all other Linux desktops). KDE 4.1 uses either the Xrender or OpenGL APIs to allow the GPU to render the desktop. For any graphics card and driver, other than Nvidia card using Nvidia's binary driver for Linux, KDE 4.1 renders many times FASTER than any other non-accelerated desktop."

This mostly doesn't really affect Mandriva 2009. We added a hack to apply the nvidia-settings tweaks that fix it on most hardware, out of the box.


If that is true, then I will give it a spin as soon as I have a chance. While I was generally impressed with KDE 4.1 - based on the looks, still don't like some of the regressions - when I played with it on Debian Experimental, I was also affected by the infamous nVidia driver bug and therefore the whole experience left a bad taste in my mouth.

And I really like the default KDE 4 look of the latest iterations of both Mandriva and SUSE offerings.

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AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

"Having said that ... KDE 4.1 performance on netbooks is a bit pedestrian. The Intel GMA graphics hardware is barely accelerated at all. So the stock Mandriva install is uninspiring on a netbbok."

There isn't really a 'stock Mandriva install' in this case. One KDE and One GNOME are equally 'premier' editions, and we'd probably recommend GNOME rather than KDE for netbooks. If you install Free or Powerpack on a netbook (one for which we have a detection heuristic, anyway), it will default to GNOME rather than KDE.

We mostly actually recommend LXDE (as mentioned in later comments) on netbooks. 'urpmi task-lxde' will install it on any Mandriva 2009 system. We did have a plan to do a special 'netbook edition' USB image based on LXDE, but I'm not sure we're going to have the time to get that done - it still may happen, though.

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lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

We mostly actually recommend LXDE (as mentioned in later comments) on netbooks. 'urpmi task-lxde' will install it on any Mandriva 2009 system. We did have a plan to do a special 'netbook edition' USB image based on LXDE, but I'm not sure we're going to have the time to get that done - it still may happen, though.


Do you have a USB image of any Mandriva 2009.0 system at all?

Netbooks don't have a CDROM drive. I have been using Unetbootin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNetbootin

to make various bootable USB images (overwriting my one USB stick each time) in order to trial various .iso LiveCDs.

Unetbootin works with Ubuntu variants.

I have just downloaded the .iso image of Mandriva One XFCE which is the topic of this thread, and ran Unetbootin with that .iso image to create an new bootable USB image. With Mandriva One 2009, however, it starts to boot but doesn't make it all the way. It stops with an error stating:

"Cannot run '/etc/init.d/rcS' : no such file or directory"

I'm fairly sure that this means that having loaded the kernel, Mandriva One is looking for the "rest of itself" on a CDROM drive which doesn't exist on the netbook.

Is there any way netbook owners can create a working bootable USB from a Mandriva One .iso LiveCD image?

Would it be possible to simply create a symbolic link named "cdrom" pointing to the correct place on the USB stick to work around this problem?

Netbooks are likely to be a significant part of Mandriva's target audience. It would be a shame to miss out because people couldn't get it booted.

http://forum.mandriva.com/viewtopic.php?t=71847

PS: hold the fort. Solution (work-around) may be here:

https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=34703#c10

Edited 2008-11-18 09:46 UTC

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