Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 17th Nov 2008 19:19 UTC, submitted by AdamW
Mandriva, Mandrake, Lycoris Thanks to the Mandriva Xfce volunteer development team, a community Xfce One edition of Mandriva Linux 2009 is now available for download from all official Mandriva mirrors. A list of download locations can be found on the Wiki page. This release gives you all the benefits of Mandriva Linux 2009 along with a fast and stable Xfce desktop.
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_txf_
Member since:
2008-03-17

But here's the thing... even xfce to a certain degree is bloating on 256Mb seeing as it only leaves 100Mb free. On 256Mb I'm hesitant to recommend even a full kde3 session.

If you prune things down then it will run fine (on 256 Mb you should Expect to need pruning on any environment minus those that are geared as lightweight)

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lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

But here's the thing... even xfce to a certain degree is bloating on 256Mb seeing as it only leaves 100Mb free. On 256Mb I'm hesitant to recommend even a full kde3 session. If you prune things down then it will run fine (on 256 Mb you should Expect to need pruning on any environment minus those that are geared as lightweight)


XFCE is light enough to install on minimal hardware, especially as you say if you prune things down a bit.

If you want really snappy performance on minimal or older hardware, try installing Xubuntu ... and then from the base install change the desktop to the even-lighter LXDE.

$ apt-get install lxde-desktop

... following your Xubuntu install. On the next boot, change the default session to LXDE instead of Xubuntu.

http://lxde.org/

This will run very snappily even on minimal harware, yet installing it following Xubuntu still gives you an Ubuntu 8.10 base to your system.

Or you could just get LXDE/Ubuntu from here: http://ubuntulite.tuxfamily.org/?q=node/2
... but that site doesn't seem to have caught up with Ubuntu 8.10 as yet.

I hope this helps. Good luck.

Edited 2008-11-18 03:19 UTC

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_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17

Personally, I like "bloat" and my computer can handle "bloat". What I take issue is others with minimum spec computers complaining that kde etc is bloated. It isn't for a normal computer, nor is it if you prune it down...so basically what I'm saying is that I don't find kde4 "bloated".

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h3rman Member since:
2006-08-09

But here's the thing... even xfce to a certain degree is bloating on 256Mb seeing as it only leaves 100Mb free. On 256Mb I'm hesitant to recommend even a full kde3 session.


A good operating system will use RAM as efficiently as it can. If that means filling it all up, it's good. Empty RAM is wasted RAM. The question is not, how much RAM can an OS + XFCE fill up, but: from what amount of RAM does it start moving bits to the swap partition, and start coming to a crawl. In that respect, a "vanilla" XFCE really does need less RAM than Gnome or KDE.

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

Here's the deal with "light" desktops. They're only really light until you fire up browser and office software. At that point the memory requirements of those apps can absolutely overwhelm anything saved by the "light" desktop. It *can* work. But care must be taken in the selection of applications. The goal is to minimize *unshared* memory. (The DamnSmall Linux guys refine this technique to an art form.) And leveraging apps from a minimum number of DE sources which share as much with xfce as possible is essential to retaining as much of xfce's memory efficiency as possible which doing actual work.

If xfce had a browser which used the xfce libs and a webkit, or less preferably, a gecko backend, and an xfce email client, and xfce office suite, that would be ideal. Unfortunately, it does not. So the next best thing is to use Gnome infrastructure to fill in the gaps. Gnome and xfce share enough that using Epiphany and Evolution is a win over using Firefox and Thunderbird. Here, "top" is your friend. Look at RSS and subtract "Shared" from it as a (rather rough) measurement of the true cost of the app.

I have been trying out xfce again for the last day or so, and have ended up with the default Xubuntu-desktop plus:

Epiphany
Evolution for email (Orage for other PIM functions)
Abiword
Gnumeric
Totem

It's seems a substantial win, memory-wise. And I love clicking the "Terminal" icon and having an *instant* prompt... every time.

I do wish that xfce would do just a little more with drag'n'drop, though. It would be nice to be able to drag apps from the menus to the panel to create launchers. Other than that I feel like xfce has implemented pretty much the features of Gnome that I really need, and I don't feel deprived while using it.

Edited 2008-11-18 16:54 UTC

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