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Novell and Ximian Two years ago, Microsoft and Novell inked a landmark deal on patents and Linux-to-Windows interoperability. According to Microsoft and Novell, it's a deal that has shown dramatic momentum in its second year, with a triple digit percentage increase in customers for a total tally of more than 200 customers. "I was surprised at the number of over 200 customers, so I actually went back and double checked it just to make sure," Susan Heystee, General Manager for Global Strategic Alliances at Novell told InternetNews.com. "That represents over 250 percent growth in terms of the number of customers that are part of the partnership which is really great. A real positive surprise has been the great customer momentum."
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RE[2]: Good for them.
by UltraZelda64 on Thu 20th Nov 2008 08:23 UTC in reply to "RE: Good for them."
UltraZelda64
Member since:
2006-12-05

I'm happily using one of their operating systems : OpenSuse. Why not ?

Why not? Well, that's for you decide. But I, personally, don't agree with their patent "protection" crap (especially when it deals with a certain company in Redmond, WA). If you do, then good for you. openSUSE may very well be what you're looking for. [Though to be fair, openSUSE may not be subject to the same crap SUSE Linux Enterprise is. Even so, their offering is far too bloated for my machine and against my tastes.]

Edited 2008-11-20 08:29 UTC

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RE[3]: Good for them.
by Phocean on Thu 20th Nov 2008 09:03 in reply to "RE[2]: Good for them."
Phocean Member since:
2007-07-07

The last OpenSuse is far from being bloated at all, and all the community should look at it seriously.
It is polished, stable and succeed where Ubuntu still fails : stable set up tools, no need of the terminal.

That's why I would only recommend Suse to beginners.
And even if I am a power user, I appreciate to have a user-friendly linux as a desktop and focus on the real work.

Honnestly, there is really too much noise about the agreements, that anyway don't concern OpenSuse.
Stop the troll, turn the page.

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RE[4]: Good for them.
by Clinton on Thu 20th Nov 2008 16:34 in reply to "RE[3]: Good for them."
Clinton Member since:
2005-07-05

The last OpenSuse is far from being bloated at all, and all the community should look at it seriously.
It is polished, stable and succeed where Ubuntu still fails : stable set up tools, no need of the terminal.


Ubuntu fails at stable set up tools and needing the terminal? That's news to me. I just set up several Ubuntu machines and experienced no problems with the setup, nor did I have to use the terminal.

I do use the terminal because it is a powerful tool on Linux -- actually, the terminal is one of those "killer apps" on Linux in my opinion -- but I certainly didn't have to.

However, even if Ubuntu did "fail" at these two things, being Debian based, it would still be worth the hassle just for dpkg.

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RE[4]: Good for them.
by Herolint on Thu 20th Nov 2008 20:59 in reply to "RE[3]: Good for them."
Herolint Member since:
2008-11-20

The last OpenSuse is far from being bloated at all


Things may have changed since I last used it, but historically, OpenSuSE has indeed been slow and bloated. On top of that, the net install wasn't very intuitive and if you didn't use the net install, you had to download a big DVD or several CD images.

It is polished, stable and succeed where Ubuntu still fails : stable set up tools, no need of the terminal.


I'd have to agree with the other commenter. This statement is not accurate.

That's why I would only recommend Suse to beginners.


You are entitled to your own opinions, but I'd prefer to see some positive comments about why you feel that way rather than an inaccurate tearing down of another distro. They're all Linux and therefore all good, right?

Honnestly, there is really too much noise about the agreements


The Novell and Microsoft agreement is lame and Novell contributes a ton to OpenSuSE, so they're related. The story is about the agreement, so perhaps we should turn the page on the OpenSuSE vs. Ubuntu discussion and come back to the page about the lame Microsoft deal.

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RE[4]: Good for them.
by OMRebel on Thu 20th Nov 2008 21:49 in reply to "RE[3]: Good for them."
OMRebel Member since:
2005-11-14

You make the comment for others to stop trolling, when you trolled in your own post? I've run Ubuntu for years, and I do not have to use the terminal to setup Ubuntu. That statement you made was completely FUD, and it does nothing but take away from your credibility. If you want OpenSuse to succeed, then have it do so on it's merits. Spreading BS around around its competition isn't doing you any good.

I hope OpenSuse has gotten rid of the bloat. That would include fixing Yast, which was horrible slow the last time I tried Suse.

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RE[3]: Good for them.
by Googol on Thu 20th Nov 2008 12:24 in reply to "RE[2]: Good for them."
Googol Member since:
2006-11-24

How many times have we been through this by now? Novell doesn't equate Suse OS. You can not name one project that is key to Linux where Novell is not involved and if you don't want to use their work than you must stop using any Linux. Can you please report back to the forum that you stop using Linux as of now?

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RE[4]: Good for them.
by tweakedenigma on Thu 20th Nov 2008 22:38 in reply to "RE[3]: Good for them."
tweakedenigma Member since:
2006-12-27

Absolutely correct, Novell does a lot for the FOSS community and I think its sad that so many people have taken such extreme shots at them.

This is not to say I agree with the Patent deal, But still Suse is a good distro, and I for one will not toss Novell and their contributions away because of it.

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RE[3]: Good for them.
by DrillSgt on Thu 20th Nov 2008 13:55 in reply to "RE[2]: Good for them."
DrillSgt Member since:
2005-12-02

"Why not? Well, that's for you decide. But I, personally, don't agree with their patent "protection" crap (especially when it deals with a certain company in Redmond, WA)."

Okay, what about Sun's patent protection crap for OpenDocument, which they hold the patent on? Sun also has a covenant not to sue with OASIS, which is required to become a standard. Glad you do not use the OpenDocument format then. Or maybe it is a double standard and is okay as long as it is not Microsoft signing such a deal?

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/office/ipr.php

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RE[4]: Good for them.
by lemur2 on Fri 21st Nov 2008 01:28 in reply to "RE[3]: Good for them."
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

Okay, what about Sun's patent protection crap for OpenDocument, which they hold the patent on? Sun also has a covenant not to sue with OASIS, which is required to become a standard. Glad you do not use the OpenDocument format then. Or maybe it is a double standard and is okay as long as it is not Microsoft signing such a deal? http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/office/ipr.php


The Sun covenant not to sue (aka Sun's patent protection for OpenDocument) is a covenant not to sue anyone. No one at all will be sued, as long as they don't sue Sun. Fill your boots ... contribute code to OpenOffice if you want to, or just use it to your hearts content, and here is a guarantee that Sun won't sue you ... on the condition that you don't sue Sun.

In contrast, the Microsoft covenant not to sue is a covenant not to sue Novell or Novell's customers.

Very big difference. Huge difference. All the difference in the world. Worlds apart. Chalk and cheese.

Edited 2008-11-21 01:30 UTC

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RE[4]: Good for them.
by UltraZelda64 on Fri 21st Nov 2008 04:14 in reply to "RE[3]: Good for them."
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

Glad you do not use the OpenDocument format then.

Actually, I use plain text mostly. I don't really have much of a need for full-fledged word processing anyway. ;)

By the way, I should have made it clearer (though I thought I was clear enough, and I'm responding to various people here, not just the one I quoted): I am not against Novell as a company. It's the patent deal they have tied to their OS that bothers me. Some of their things are pretty good, and they are very supportive of Linux in general.

Still, I couldn't find myself using SUSE for a variety of reasons, far more than "just" the patent deal. But I'll just leave it at that, because not only would I be called a troll for disagreeing with the whole patent deal, I'd be called a troll for putting down the distribution itself so bad. I'll just say, for my needs and my particular hardware, the OS is far from decent.

I will admit though, I find it amusing how people put words in my mouth when they disagree.

Edited 2008-11-21 04:16 UTC

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RE[3]: Good for them.
by pixel8r on Fri 21st Nov 2008 03:19 in reply to "RE[2]: Good for them."
pixel8r Member since:
2007-08-11

"I'm happily using one of their operating systems : OpenSuse. Why not ?

Why not? Well, that's for you decide. But I, personally, don't agree with their patent "protection" crap (especially when it deals with a certain company in Redmond, WA). If you do, then good for you. openSUSE may very well be what you're looking for. [Though to be fair, openSUSE may not be subject to the same crap SUSE Linux Enterprise is. Even so, their offering is far too bloated for my machine and against my tastes.]
"

So many misinformed people out there...

the "patent protection" crap - doesn't cover openSUSE.

So any reasoning for not using opensuse based on that is misinformed.

After using ubuntu for 6 months I'm back with openSUSE just because I prefer KDE and openSUSE does KDE best IMO (kubuntu was way too unstable).

Use whatever distro you like, by all means, but claiming openSUSE is somehow less free than any of the other "commercially backed" distro's (including ubuntu) is just not true.

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RE[4]: Good for them.
by KugelKurt on Fri 21st Nov 2008 19:33 in reply to "RE[3]: Good for them."
KugelKurt Member since:
2005-07-06

openSUSE does KDE best IMO (kubuntu was way too unstable).

True. If other guys/gals here think that's trolling, just read the comments made under that blog post: http://weblog.obso1337.org/2008/on-distributions-kubuntu-and-kde/
Many people have/had negative experiences with Kubuntu.

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RE[3]: Good for them.
by KugelKurt on Fri 21st Nov 2008 19:30 in reply to "RE[2]: Good for them."
KugelKurt Member since:
2005-07-06

I, personally, don't agree with their patent "protection" crap

I don't either, but at least Novell is employing many contributing FOSS developers. openSUSE also has the best KDE support out there.

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