Linked by Rahul on Thu 20th Nov 2008 03:17 UTC
Mozilla & Gecko clones Mitchell Baker, chairperson of the Mozilla Foundation and former CEO of Mozilla corporation has posted a report the details the financial status of Mozilla for this year. "Our revenue remains strong; our expenses focused. Mozilla's revenues (including both Mozilla Foundation and Mozilla Corporation) for 2007 were $75 million, up approximately 12% from 2006 revenue of $67 million. As in 2006 the vast majority of this revenue is associated with the search functionality in Mozilla Firefox, and the majority of that is from Google. The Firefox userbase and search revenue have both increased from 2006"
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RE[3]: All their eggs
by lemur2 on Fri 21st Nov 2008 00:39 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: All their eggs"
lemur2
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2007-02-17

" Mozilla are a charity, not a business.
Mozilla Corporation is a 100+ employee, $67 million per year *business* which reinvests an unspecified portion of its profits back into Mozilla Foundation. Nominally a subsidiary of Mozilla Foundation, it is essentially a bubble within the Foundation which can be as corporate and profit-seeking as it likes, loop-holing through the restrictions of the Foundation's nonprofit status. Many people do not realize this since Mozilla puts on its "Foundation" face when that suits its purposes, and its "Corporation" face when it doesn't. I agree that when a Webkit-based browser overtakes them their stated goals will be furthered. And I guarantee that the Mozilla Corp management team will be in an absolute tizzy when it happens. I, on the other hand, will be delighted to see true competition come to the Free web browser market for the first time. "

Where does Mozilla's money go, other than back to pay its employess and re-invest in development and research?

Do you imagine they are hiding it under a matress somewhere? Or perhaps you think some individuals at the top are siphoning it off somehow ... which is a pretty serious insinuation to make really.

As for trends, well according to one source, these are the trends:

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

Firefox has closed to within a whisker of IE6 + IE7.

IE6 is in a long, slow decline.

IE7 increases do not make up for IE6 falls.

Chrome and Safari have about 3% each, just ahead of Opera.

Non-IE browsers between them have overtaken IE.

...

I can't really see a case to be made where Firefox & Gecko aren't by far the most serious competition for IE.

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RE[4]: All their eggs
by sbergman27 on Fri 21st Nov 2008 01:39 in reply to "RE[3]: All their eggs"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

Where does Mozilla's money go, other than back to pay its employess

Pay who, and how much?

Or perhaps you think some individuals at the top are siphoning it off somehow ... which is a pretty serious insinuation to make really.

You said that, not me. I merely point out that your "Mozilla is a charity" viewpoint misses the big picture. There's $70 million flowing annually, getting divvied up, paid, allocated, spent, all sans 501c restrictions.

I do think it deserves more community scrutiny than it gets. And I do think that it could benefit from another strong FOSS competitor, as KDE and Gnome benefit from each other, and as Debian has benefited from having another strong distro appear in their camp.

Agreed on current market shares, but recommend that we revisit the issue in a year. I fully expect a less worrisome, less lopsided, and more vibrant FOSS browser market to emerge by then.

Edited 2008-11-21 01:40 UTC

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RE[5]: All their eggs
by lemur2 on Fri 21st Nov 2008 02:02 in reply to "RE[4]: All their eggs"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

"Where does Mozilla's money go, other than back to pay its employess
Pay who, and how much?
Or perhaps you think some individuals at the top are siphoning it off somehow ... which is a pretty serious insinuation to make really.
You said that, not me. I merely point out that your "Mozilla is a charity" viewpoint misses the big picture. There's $70 million flowing annually, getting divvied up, paid, allocated, spent, all sans 501c restrictions. I do think it deserves more community scrutiny than it gets. And I do think that it could benefit from another strong FOSS competitor, as KDE and Gnome benefit from each other, and as Debian has benefited from having another strong distro appear in their camp. Agreed on current market shares, but recommend that we revisit the issue in a year. I fully expect a less worrisome, less lopsided, and more vibrant FOSS browser market to emerge by then.
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I have no problem with there being an audit to establish that the money that flows through Mozilla is indeed used for its stated aims, and to ensure that no-one is raking off some cash somewhere.

However, if an audit does establish that Mozilla's money is being used as per its charter and stated purpose, then I have no problem with Mozilla retaining its tax-free status.

What would be the point of taking some of the funds going through the self-funded Mozilla orgaisation, which is being used for a stated purpose to help the people, and instead tax those funds for adding to the public purse ... ostensibly also to help the people.

Personally ... we can see what Mozilla are doing with the money. It would appear that they are sticking exactly on task to their stated purpose, and doing everything they can to make a better, more popular open browser, and hence keep the web open for everyone. If Mozilla were to be taxed ... then the government would instead be in control of some of those development funds.

Where would YOU trust the money to be better spent for your interests?

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