Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 25th Nov 2008 01:50 UTC, submitted by judgen
Legal "Federal district judge Dale A. Kimball has handed down the final judgment in the SCO case. The decision dismisses SCO's latest claims, grants declaratory relief to Novell, and sustains the court's previous judgment that SCO owes Novell over $2.54 million (plus interest) for unjust enrichment."
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RE[3]: serves them right
by sbergman27 on Tue 25th Nov 2008 05:06 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: serves them right"
sbergman27
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2005-07-24

Those who remained with SCOG ... serves them right too.

Your fangs are showing, Lemur. Some of SCOG's remaining employees are still doing respectable technical work on OpenServer 6. Or they were, at least, up through a year ago when the latest stable version was released. Not everyone quits their job because their employer insulted Linux. You might. I might. But everyone should not be expected to.

These events surely cannot have not come as a complete surprise to them, but "serves them right" is too vindictive for my taste.

Meanwhile, as I've said before, the prime movers... the real culprits, have likely seen a net financial benefit from all that has happened, will never be taken to account by any court, and will be happily on their way when everything is over.

What has happened is probably the closest thing to actual justice that is possible under the constraints of how corporations and their employees are handled under US law. But anyone happy that "justice has been served" in this instance is thinking more like a sports fan than a concerned citizen.

Edited 2008-11-25 05:07 UTC

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RE[4]: serves them right
by lemur2 on Tue 25th Nov 2008 06:42 in reply to "RE[3]: serves them right"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

Some of SCOG's remaining employees are still doing respectable technical work on OpenServer 6. Or they were, at least, up through a year ago when the latest stable version was released. Not everyone quits their job because their employer insulted Linux.


It was more than that ... the lawsuits were a shameless attempt to destroy Linux and FOSS ... which in turn represent the collected efforts of 1.5 million + developers over many years. The lawsuits were an attempt to appropriate the works of others, and if not appropriate them then destroy them.

That is a thoroughly despicable act, and worthy of far more contempt than mere words can express.

I'd imagine that those SCOG employess had been offered shares to stay on ... a ticket in SCOGs litigation lottery if you will ... I can't think of any reason any self-respecting technical person would choose to stay otherwise. They had 4+ years worth of opportunity to leave.

I'd say that Openserver 6, and the careers of those who continued to work on it, are as much toast as that Mercury-like planet I mentioned a while ago.

A thoroughly deserved outcome in all respects IMO.

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RE[5]: serves them right
by sbergman27 on Tue 25th Nov 2008 07:43 in reply to "RE[4]: serves them right"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

I'd imagine that those SCOG employess had been offered shares to stay on ... a ticket in SCOGs litigation lottery if you will ...

Now you're making stuff up to vilify them? Well, if those are the rules... I'd imagine that The Linux Foundation is paying you to vilify them any way you can. Certainly Darl, Chris and others were given plenty of financial incentive to play out the charade. But folks who came over from the Santa Cruz Operation and continued to work on the Unixware (and now OpenServer) kernel were most likely there to do just that. As to your assertion that no self-respecting technical person would have stayed... this may come as a shock to you, but not everyone embraces Linux as their personal political platform and/or purpose in life as you seem to think they should. Some people have real lives.

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RE[5]: serves them right
by WereCatf on Tue 25th Nov 2008 08:44 in reply to "RE[4]: serves them right"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

You're just trying to make every single person working for SCO as an evil-doer and a generally dislikeable person. I doubt that's anywhere near the truth, no matter how you try to make it look like it.

First of all, not everyone there might have been able to find another job, perhaps due to too big of a distance between their home and the new working place, perhaps due to not getting paid similarly well, or perhaps they just thought things will turn out one way or another. Then there's of course people who don't even have anything to do with computers: secretaries, cleaning staff (unless hired outside), general maintenance...Those people just want to hang on to any job they can find, they most likely don't know much if anything about Linux at all. And you want to blame them, too?

No, try to work out your issues and not blame all the wrongdoings on the wrong people.

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RE[5]: serves them right
by Athlander on Tue 25th Nov 2008 09:13 in reply to "RE[4]: serves them right"
Athlander Member since:
2008-03-10


I'd imagine that those SCOG employess had been offered shares to stay on ... a ticket in SCOGs litigation lottery if you will ... I can't think of any reason any self-respecting technical person would choose to stay otherwise. They had 4+ years worth of opportunity to leave.


I can think of plenty of reasons why a self-respecting technical person would choose to stay.
In the grand scheme of things, the actions of SCO are quite harmless compared to the activities of some other corporations. Perhaps it is a sad indictment of the modern world that people are willing to work for weapons manufacturers, fast food chains, coffee chains or [insert evil corporation of choice] but it is the real world. People have mortgages to pay and not everyone can quit a job on Friday and be back working on Monday. For some folk, feeding their children is more important than Linux and FOSS. I wonder how old you are, because your priorities and attitude seem a bit "adolescent".

I can understand someone being passionate about Linux and FOSS, but as sbergman27 pointed out, your comments are quite vindictive. To me, you sound like you are equating the rank and file employees of SCO with collaborators of a murderous regime.

The only way to stop things like this happening is to make the people at board level personally responsible. CEOs and directors can flit from one company to another, leaving a trail of lawsuits, bankruptcies and lost jobs. It's not just the USA, it happens everywhere. To take pleasure in the fact that people lower in an organisation, who don't make policy decisions, can (or should) lose their jobs, shows the same level of callousness that motivated the McBride and Sontag.

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RE[5]: serves them right
by Soulbender on Tue 25th Nov 2008 09:27 in reply to "RE[4]: serves them right"
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2005-08-18

which in turn represent the collected efforts of 1.5 million + developers over many years. The lawsuits were an attempt to appropriate the works of others, and if not appropriate them then destroy them.


Do you drink Coke? Pepsi? Do you buy sportswear like, say , Nike? Do you buy cheap technology made in China? Cheap clothes? Did your dad give your mom a diamond ring?
On the ladder of evil companies SCO is pretty damn low on the rung, ya know.

which in turn represent the collected efforts of 1.5 million + developers over many years. The lawsuits were an attempt to appropriate the works of others, and if not appropriate them then destroy them.


Yes, because SCO only employed technical people. No other staff like beancounters, secretaries, adinistrative staff etc. Well, I guess they did but it sure serve those people right for wanting to feed their families and not knowing about Linux!

A thoroughly deserved outcome in all respects IMO.

Seriously, dude, grow up and/or get a life.

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RE[4]: serves them right
by moltonel on Tue 25th Nov 2008 11:09 in reply to "RE[3]: serves them right"
moltonel Member since:
2006-02-24

What has happened is probably the closest thing to actual justice that is possible under the constraints of how corporations and their employees are handled under US law. But anyone happy that "justice has been served" in this instance is thinking more like a sports fan than a concerned citizen.


Amen to that.

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RE[4]: serves them right
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Tue 25th Nov 2008 15:56 in reply to "RE[3]: serves them right"
Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

[Not everyone quits their job because their employer insulted Linux. You might. I might. But everyone should not be expected to.


Not because of any perceived insult, but they should have found new jobs because it was clear they management was not interested in long term development of their products and seemed to bank the companies future on a lawsuit they had little chance of wining. If its clear your company is going to the sewer, you find another job pronto, regardless of the reason why.

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