Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 25th Nov 2008 01:50 UTC, submitted by judgen
Legal "Federal district judge Dale A. Kimball has handed down the final judgment in the SCO case. The decision dismisses SCO's latest claims, grants declaratory relief to Novell, and sustains the court's previous judgment that SCO owes Novell over $2.54 million (plus interest) for unjust enrichment."
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RE[4]: serves them right
by lemur2 on Tue 25th Nov 2008 06:42 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: serves them right"
lemur2
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2007-02-17

Some of SCOG's remaining employees are still doing respectable technical work on OpenServer 6. Or they were, at least, up through a year ago when the latest stable version was released. Not everyone quits their job because their employer insulted Linux.


It was more than that ... the lawsuits were a shameless attempt to destroy Linux and FOSS ... which in turn represent the collected efforts of 1.5 million + developers over many years. The lawsuits were an attempt to appropriate the works of others, and if not appropriate them then destroy them.

That is a thoroughly despicable act, and worthy of far more contempt than mere words can express.

I'd imagine that those SCOG employess had been offered shares to stay on ... a ticket in SCOGs litigation lottery if you will ... I can't think of any reason any self-respecting technical person would choose to stay otherwise. They had 4+ years worth of opportunity to leave.

I'd say that Openserver 6, and the careers of those who continued to work on it, are as much toast as that Mercury-like planet I mentioned a while ago.

A thoroughly deserved outcome in all respects IMO.

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RE[5]: serves them right
by sbergman27 on Tue 25th Nov 2008 07:43 in reply to "RE[4]: serves them right"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

I'd imagine that those SCOG employess had been offered shares to stay on ... a ticket in SCOGs litigation lottery if you will ...

Now you're making stuff up to vilify them? Well, if those are the rules... I'd imagine that The Linux Foundation is paying you to vilify them any way you can. Certainly Darl, Chris and others were given plenty of financial incentive to play out the charade. But folks who came over from the Santa Cruz Operation and continued to work on the Unixware (and now OpenServer) kernel were most likely there to do just that. As to your assertion that no self-respecting technical person would have stayed... this may come as a shock to you, but not everyone embraces Linux as their personal political platform and/or purpose in life as you seem to think they should. Some people have real lives.

Edited 2008-11-25 07:44 UTC

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RE[6]: serves them right
by Valhalla on Tue 25th Nov 2008 09:02 in reply to "RE[5]: serves them right"
Valhalla Member since:
2006-01-24

Well, I agree with sbergman that it's a damn shame that the individuals who started this circus are left practically unharmed. Maybe they were able to initially fool themselves that they actually had a case, but obviously they must have realized they didn't when they couldn't offer any shred of evidence to support their case or when they realized they DIDN'T EVEN OWN the Unix copyrights, which was the whole base of all their litigations. Yet they continued to make pretense in the media of having a winning case. Can anyone say stock scam?

Atleast 'analysts' like Enderle, Lyons suffered big dents to their credibility due to their non-fact based statements regarding the SCO case (O'Gara didn't have any credibility to begin with so nothing lost there) and how they were going to win. Lyons atleast later admitted having been a fool for believing in SCO despite the lack of any evidence whatsoever. Enderle on the other hand tried to put the blame on the litigators lack of experience, ignoring the fact that there was no case whatsoever to begin with.

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RE[5]: serves them right
by WereCatf on Tue 25th Nov 2008 08:44 in reply to "RE[4]: serves them right"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

You're just trying to make every single person working for SCO as an evil-doer and a generally dislikeable person. I doubt that's anywhere near the truth, no matter how you try to make it look like it.

First of all, not everyone there might have been able to find another job, perhaps due to too big of a distance between their home and the new working place, perhaps due to not getting paid similarly well, or perhaps they just thought things will turn out one way or another. Then there's of course people who don't even have anything to do with computers: secretaries, cleaning staff (unless hired outside), general maintenance...Those people just want to hang on to any job they can find, they most likely don't know much if anything about Linux at all. And you want to blame them, too?

No, try to work out your issues and not blame all the wrongdoings on the wrong people.

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RE[6]: serves them right
by darknexus on Tue 25th Nov 2008 09:07 in reply to "RE[5]: serves them right"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

Guys, Lemur is a foss, and particularly a Linux troll. I think its time to starve him, not feed him. There ya go, Lemur, your last bite. Savor it.

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RE[5]: serves them right
by Athlander on Tue 25th Nov 2008 09:13 in reply to "RE[4]: serves them right"
Athlander Member since:
2008-03-10


I'd imagine that those SCOG employess had been offered shares to stay on ... a ticket in SCOGs litigation lottery if you will ... I can't think of any reason any self-respecting technical person would choose to stay otherwise. They had 4+ years worth of opportunity to leave.


I can think of plenty of reasons why a self-respecting technical person would choose to stay.
In the grand scheme of things, the actions of SCO are quite harmless compared to the activities of some other corporations. Perhaps it is a sad indictment of the modern world that people are willing to work for weapons manufacturers, fast food chains, coffee chains or [insert evil corporation of choice] but it is the real world. People have mortgages to pay and not everyone can quit a job on Friday and be back working on Monday. For some folk, feeding their children is more important than Linux and FOSS. I wonder how old you are, because your priorities and attitude seem a bit "adolescent".

I can understand someone being passionate about Linux and FOSS, but as sbergman27 pointed out, your comments are quite vindictive. To me, you sound like you are equating the rank and file employees of SCO with collaborators of a murderous regime.

The only way to stop things like this happening is to make the people at board level personally responsible. CEOs and directors can flit from one company to another, leaving a trail of lawsuits, bankruptcies and lost jobs. It's not just the USA, it happens everywhere. To take pleasure in the fact that people lower in an organisation, who don't make policy decisions, can (or should) lose their jobs, shows the same level of callousness that motivated the McBride and Sontag.

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RE[6]: serves them right
by lemur2 on Tue 25th Nov 2008 09:54 in reply to "RE[5]: serves them right"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

The only way to stop things like this happening is to make the people at board level personally responsible. CEOs and directors can flit from one company to another, leaving a trail of lawsuits, bankruptcies and lost jobs. It's not just the USA, it happens everywhere.


Exactly so. I hope the CEOs and other suits who dreamt up this SCOG scam lose their shirts and forevermore have to live in poverty. The lawyers can have some of that action also.

To take pleasure in the fact that people lower in an organisation, who don't make policy decisions, can (or should) lose their jobs, shows the same level of callousness that motivated the McBride and Sontag.


WTF??

Hopefully the former SCOG people who had nothing to do with the scam can get a decent job elsewhere immediately. Who on earth would want otherwise?

The fact that there would be no job future at SCOG should have been obvious for years to even the most junior of SCOG employees.

http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=SCOXQ.PK#chart1:symbol=scoxq.pk;...

There are not many companies that keep going after dropping from $20 down to $0.13 and then declaring bankruptcy, with four deadset loser court actions still on their books.

Anybody at SCOG with even a modicum of sense will have another job lined up.

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RE[5]: serves them right
by Soulbender on Tue 25th Nov 2008 09:27 in reply to "RE[4]: serves them right"
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2005-08-18

which in turn represent the collected efforts of 1.5 million + developers over many years. The lawsuits were an attempt to appropriate the works of others, and if not appropriate them then destroy them.


Do you drink Coke? Pepsi? Do you buy sportswear like, say , Nike? Do you buy cheap technology made in China? Cheap clothes? Did your dad give your mom a diamond ring?
On the ladder of evil companies SCO is pretty damn low on the rung, ya know.

which in turn represent the collected efforts of 1.5 million + developers over many years. The lawsuits were an attempt to appropriate the works of others, and if not appropriate them then destroy them.


Yes, because SCO only employed technical people. No other staff like beancounters, secretaries, adinistrative staff etc. Well, I guess they did but it sure serve those people right for wanting to feed their families and not knowing about Linux!

A thoroughly deserved outcome in all respects IMO.

Seriously, dude, grow up and/or get a life.

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RE[6]: serves them right
by lemur2 on Tue 25th Nov 2008 09:35 in reply to "RE[5]: serves them right"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

> Yes, because SCO only employed technical people. No other staff like beancounters, secretaries, adinistrative staff etc. Well, I guess they did but it sure serve those people right for wanting to feed their families and not knowing about Linux!

Get real. A secretary or a beancounter can walk into a normal, saner company right across the road tomorrow without a second thought. They should have had a plan to do so for years now because the writing has been on the wall for the demise of SCOG for a tremendously long time.

The only people whose technical reputations will be rightfully trashed over this affair are those who continued to work towards helping SCO perhaps achieve their ends for years after the true nature & intent of SCOG as a vexatious litigator and bottom feeder was painfully obvious.

Gupta is one such name that comes to mind (and certainly a person who was a recipient of SCOG shares).

Edited 2008-11-25 09:40 UTC

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RE[6]: serves them right
by MamiyaOtaru on Tue 25th Nov 2008 09:37 in reply to "RE[5]: serves them right"
MamiyaOtaru Member since:
2005-11-11

Lemur: http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/4679/scorf5.jpg
(ok, it's actually me. If it was Lemur, he'd probably be egging SCO's janitor's car or something while shouting "serves you right!")

Edited 2008-11-25 09:37 UTC

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