Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 25th Nov 2008 22:45 UTC
Apple Apple isn't exactly known for catering to the lower end of the market, but so far, it doesn't really seem to have slowed them down much. They are selling more Macs than ever, and especially in the ever-growing notebook market, Apple is very successful. However, with people all worried about possible economic downturn, and with the success of cheap, small laptops (netbooks), people are starting to speculate if Apple will enter the netbook market.
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RE[2]: Bad news
by Soulbender on Wed 26th Nov 2008 09:28 UTC in reply to "RE: Bad news"
Soulbender
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2005-08-18

Im sure if they did try to enter the market they would sell it for a grand and market it as the Gucci of netbooks like they do for all their other products.


Which is exactly the point. Apple wouldn't have to be cheap, they sell on the brand name. You don't buy Gucci because of the quality, you buy it because it is Gucci. It is by no means crap but you an easily get the same or better quality cheaper with other brands. No matter if we like it or not, brand names sell products.

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RE[3]: Bad news
by Piranha on Wed 26th Nov 2008 16:30 in reply to "RE[2]: Bad news"
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2008-06-24

That's true, however with Apple you're not 'just' paying for a printed logo. Their laptops tend to be streamlined, designed very well, and are quite innovative. For example, the patented Magsafe connector that they've been using on their entire notebook line for quite a number of years now. Who would have thought that using a tiny magnet could pose so useful if tripping over a cord. Not ONE company has been able to match, to my knowledge, something remotely close to that. Yes, it is patented, but it just goes to show the innovation the other companies lack.

Apples tend to be priced higher (and the upgrades even more), but if you compare the Macbook to a similar Dell, you'll find the prices aren't THAT far off. The gap between them has gotten smaller since their release of Intel chips, but you're getting a proven-stable OS, along with a laptop that's very slick. This 'Gucci' laptop easily stands out from the other 'Adidas' laptops.

Some argue the hardware is controlled. While true, it does give a uniformity which allows Apple to focus on (and prefect?) driver support, which Windows can't necessarily do as easily. At the same time, it's believed that Apple also ensures the hardware they choose is of good build quality and testing before placed in their products.

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RE[4]: Bad news
by tupp on Wed 26th Nov 2008 20:43 in reply to "RE[3]: Bad news"
tupp Member since:
2006-11-12

Their laptops tend to be streamlined, designed very well, and are quite innovative.

Whether or not Apple laptops are aesthetically pleasant is a matter of personal taste. However, if the laptops regularly exhibit heat problems, mechanical failures or usability difficulties, the designer has failed.

There is nothing "innovative" about Apple laptops.


For example, the patented Magsafe connector that they've been using on their entire notebook line for quite a number of years now.

Apple did not innovate/invent breakaway connectors -- not even breakaway, magnetic connectors.


Who would have thought that using a tiny magnet could pose so useful if tripping over a cord.

Perhaps the thought occured to a group of countertop appliance manufacturers, about five years before Apple: http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/07/03/deep.fryers/

Note that these magnetic breakaway connectors were announced as a UL standard on July 4, 2001 -- the Apple magsafe connector was introduced on January 10, 2006.

In addition, breakaway connectors have been used for decades in the safety and aerospace industries.


Not ONE company has been able to match, to my knowledge, something remotely close to that.

Except for the countertop appliance manufacturers (and the safety and aerospace industries) mentioned above, who had it long before Apple.

Perhaps the reason that other laptop makers don't utilize this thoroughly standardized technology is because:
- it's too expensive;
- it's too big, compared to the tiny power connectors that are common on laptops;
- it's unreliable -- wiping pins/contacts have fewer intermittent conduction problems;
- it's a fire hazard:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rheauchyr/sets/72057594082940769/
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/laptops/magsafe-burning-not-isolated-183...

Here's a device designed to overcome the strain relief problems inherent in the Apple magsafe connector: http://www.macworld.com/article/135299/2008/08/macmagsaver.html?lsr...

The existence of this strain-relief product begs the question: why would a properly designed magsafe connector need a strain-relief accessory?

The answer is that Apple designers and engineers are not very good.


This 'Gucci' laptop easily stands out from the other 'Adidas' laptops.

That statement is at the crux of why people buy Apple products -- they are "designer" items. They tend to appeal to people who go for that sort of thing, and to those who go for designer looks but who won't admit it.

Evidently, Apple fans also indirectly admire Braun products from the 1960s: http://gizmodo.com/343641/1960s-braun-products-hold-the-secrets-to-...

I just want a computer that works well, that doesn't restrict my choices, and that is reasonably priced.


Some argue the hardware is controlled. While true, it does give a uniformity which allows Apple to focus on (and prefect?) driver support, which Windows can't necessarily do as easily.

Go here: http://www.macfixit.com/ Then, in your browser, search "driver".

Macs have driver problems.

Plus, Macs have a host of other problems listed on this page and countless more problems and complaints in the forums section of this site ( http://www.macfixitforums.com/ ).

Of course, Macs have a lot of problems, just like other computers/OSs.

Furthermore, Apple designers and engineers are not very innovative -- they merely employ technology invented by someone else.

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RE[4]: Bad news
by Soulbender on Thu 27th Nov 2008 13:18 in reply to "RE[3]: Bad news"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

That's true, however with Apple you're not 'just' paying for a printed logo.


I never said you did. Both Gucci and Apple makes good, stylish stuff but the reason they are both so expensive is because of their branding.

but you're getting a proven-stable OS, along with a laptop that's very slick


I really hate to say it but XP is a stable OS too. It's also cute how Mac users always seem to think that Apple is the only company on planet earth that make slick, stylish laptops.

At the same time, it's believed that Apple also ensures the hardware they choose is of good build quality and testing before placed in their products.


I believe the hardware is made in China and/or Taiwan, just like everything else.

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