Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 27th Nov 2008 21:45 UTC, submitted by lemur2
KDE The KDE team has released the first beta of KDE 4.2, slated for release coming January. Quite a lot of new features have been added, as well as lots of bug fixes and performance improvements. This release also makes a lot of strides to feature parity with KDE 3.x, by adding those small little features that KDE 3.x users are barely aware of, but which were missed in KDE 4.0/4.1, such as taskbar grouping, multiple rows in the taskbar, panel auto-hiding, a traditional icon desktop through 'full-screen' foderview, and so on.
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Comment by moleskine
by moleskine on Thu 27th Nov 2008 22:23 UTC
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2005-11-05

Well, very good news and looking forward to January. However, I don't think I'd call the complete absence of power management, among other things, a "small little feature". It's a crucial component of any modern DE. Of course from one POV this doesn't matter, if you treat KDE 4.1.x and 4.2.x as works in progress and beta, which is very probably how one should even though one might have had to stick with KDE 3.5 or switch to Gnome to get day to day stuff done reliably. But the problem is that the world seems not to see it like that and so far, anyway, I'm rather worried that KDE 4's rather uncertain birth may have tarnished the project's image.

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RE: Comment by moleskine
by bralkein on Fri 28th Nov 2008 01:10 in reply to "Comment by moleskine"
bralkein Member since:
2006-12-20

Well you'll doubtless be pleased to learn that KDE 4.2 does come with power management facilities. I have just installed the beta, and the capabilities seem pretty complete to me, which is all good news for me and my laptop!

You sound like you're a bit concerned about the future of KDE, so I'd recommend taking a look at the beta - it's very compelling stuff!

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RE[2]: Comment by moleskine
by asupcb on Fri 28th Nov 2008 09:07 in reply to "RE: Comment by moleskine"
asupcb Member since:
2005-11-10

I think he's just referring to the boondoggle with regards to releasing the 4.0 release with a stable release tag/number instead of beta release tag/number.

There are still many who are not happy with the KDE community decision to release beta software with a stable release tag, which the early releases of OS X still receive criticism for.

I don't think anyone really doubted that the KDE4 series would turn out alright, many just don't like having naming conventions violated. I'll admit I am one of the critics of their decision and I think that they made a mistake by not releasing with Developer Release tags instead and that this release should be the KDE 4.0 release but I guess that is water under the bridge now. KDE 4.2 is going to be the first release to really show the KDE 4 series potential. I think most everyone agreed about that last year even. KDE 4.3 will probably be the first release capable of Enterprise class stability, although many will probably wait until the KDE 4 series is completely stable which won't happen until late 2010 (4.5)/early 2011 (4.6).

KDE 3.5.x still seems to work well for most people.

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RE: Comment by moleskine
by KAMiKAZOW on Fri 28th Nov 2008 08:55 in reply to "Comment by moleskine"
KAMiKAZOW Member since:
2005-07-06

complete absence of power management

Are you lying on purpose? PowerDevil http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/PowerDevil?content=85078 is there and works very well -- even in KDE 4.1 (I use it with openSUSE 11.1). Starting with 4.2 it's officially part of KDE.

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RE[2]: Comment by moleskine
by moleskine on Fri 28th Nov 2008 12:07 in reply to "RE: Comment by moleskine"
moleskine Member since:
2005-11-05

Are you lying on purpose? PowerDevil http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/PowerDevil?content=85078 is there and works very well -- even in KDE 4.1 (I use it with openSUSE 11.1). Starting with 4.2 it's officially part of KDE.


Throwing around accusations of this kind is pretty immature and never helpful. I have KDE 4 on Debian and there is no power management worth the name. There might be tomorrow, but not today. Your OpenSuSE 11.1 has been unavailable for about 99 per cent of the time since KDE 4 series was launched so I am unclear what point you are trying to make.

Yes, Power Devil is well known to be the future but it has not arrived yet. Google around and you'll see that power management features either absent or not working (via trying to bodge the 3.5 stuff on 4) on KDE 4.0.x or 4.1.x has been a frequent hassle.

But let's not get hooked up on power. The crux here is that the difference between a DE (or anything else, in fact) which is usable and one which is not can be surprisingly small. Often all it takes is one to two missing features and bang, you've lost a chunk of your userbase because those users rate some features much more highly than the devs assume. That's one reason that careful research into users and their wants/foibles is so important. You need to know what matters and what doesn't, not just to you but to your users too.

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RE: Comment by moleskine
by sakeniwefu on Fri 28th Nov 2008 12:20 in reply to "Comment by moleskine"
sakeniwefu Member since:
2008-02-26

Or panel autohide. Apparently almost nobody is using it, but for those of us who do, it is pretty important to have a bar that isn't shown the whole time(hear this GNOME?) and that will come up by moving the mouse to wherever it should be.

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