Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 2nd Dec 2008 10:58 UTC
Windows Two weeks ago, I published an article in which I explained what was wrong about Randall Kennedy's "Windows 7 Unmasked" article. This was noted by Infoworld's editor-in-chief Eric Knorr, who suggested that Randall and I enter into an email debate regarding the various points made in our articles. We agreed upon publishing this email thread as-is, unedited (I didn't even fix the spelling errors), on both Infoworld and OSNews. We agreed that Randall would start the debate, and that I had the final word. Read on for the entertaining email debate (I figured it would be best to give each email its own page, for clarity's sake. My apologies if this makes each individual page much shorter than what you're used to from OSNews).
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Comment by DeadFishMan
by DeadFishMan on Tue 2nd Dec 2008 13:32 UTC
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2006-01-09

I think that Randall's remarks about music styles were light-hearted and intended to be taken as jokes, so I see no harm there and Thom never responded to those so he probably dismissed them, as he should. Having said that, I happen to share his musical taste and indeed would recommend that stuff to Thom if he hasn't checked it out yet. ;)

I also agree that the increasing count of threads despite they claiming that they are just refactoring code must be an indication that something is not quite right over there so I think that Randall's original point remains. Mark Russinovitch is a god among men when it comes to Windows development and I will always listen what that man has to say but now that he is on the MS payroll, his comments should be taken with a grain of salt as they can be slightly biased towards his employer, naturally.

But the thing that surprised me the most was Thom claiming that he is running Vista on a netbook (no less!) comfortably. Vista IS a dog and no matter what people say, no matter how many performance improvements it got since RTM, it is still slow as molasses without adding any perceivable benefit over XP. I have a pretty fast laptop that does run Vista reasonably well but given the hardware specs, I would be expecting something much better performance wise (and yes, I am up to date with patches) so I can't imagine what would lead someone to do that on a netbook!

Yes, Thom kept the conversation civil all the time and Randall was way out of line sometimes but I will side with him still...

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RE: Comment by DeadFishMan
by Kombatant on Tue 2nd Dec 2008 13:44 in reply to "Comment by DeadFishMan"
Kombatant Member since:
2005-09-11

Trust me, it works wonderfully. I am using my Vista-powered EeePC 1000h to type this.

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RE: Comment by DeadFishMan
by dvhh on Tue 2nd Dec 2008 17:41 in reply to "Comment by DeadFishMan"
dvhh Member since:
2006-03-20

trust me people can be comfortable in most displeasant situation.
I mean that all this comfort notion is very subjective.
but anyway.
In a subjective view vista is a dog. And make dev life more difficult (when before they could go with a "run the application as admin"), is a space hog, give the user less and less control over data on the hard drive.
Yet the kernel seem fine, the side by side save seem to be running ok and allow the user some install mistake.
do windows need a clean slate, god no that would a hudge mistake, win32 is still a good userland api despite its bugginess, and the kernel is still unbloated enough to be relevant. However microsoft need to rework the services, Windows is hosting more and more service process that doesn't help neither the speed ( or percieved speed), and os clarity .

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RE[2]: Comment by DeadFishMan
by suryad on Tue 2nd Dec 2008 19:12 in reply to "RE: Comment by DeadFishMan"
suryad Member since:
2005-07-09

Well said sir. I was going to mod you up but apparently I made a post already...

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RE: Comment by DeadFishMan
by JonathanBThompson on Tue 2nd Dec 2008 22:13 in reply to "Comment by DeadFishMan"
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2006-05-26

<snip> Mark Russinovitch is a god among men when it comes to Windows development and I will always listen what that man has to say but now that he is on the MS payroll, his comments should be taken with a grain of salt as they can be slightly biased towards his employer, naturally.<snip>


He's a god among men in much the same way as Stargate:SG1 has the G'ould as gods amongst their slaves: he convinces them that they (the slaves) are inferior to them, and that they (the G'ould, not sure of spelling) are all-powerful and correct, and must do their bidding, all while being horribly mortal and flawed, despite all the technological hocus-pocus-steal-the-focus underpinnings.

That this twit developer could ever state MDAC is in the kernel is at least as amazing as stating that thread count changes matter all that much, which goes to demonstrate that he's not done any real server-based development, or anything where threadpools are used, which... these days is likely to be just about anything, if factored correctly. Sorry, developing things similar to MS Paint does not make you qualified to judge how many changes in a kernel have resulted as measured by the dubious test of number of total threads ;)

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DeadFishMan Member since:
2006-01-09

" Mark Russinovitch is a god among men when it comes to Windows development and I will always listen what that man has to say but now that he is on the MS payroll, his comments should be taken with a grain of salt as they can be slightly biased towards his employer, naturally.


He's a god among men in much the same way as Stargate:SG1 has the G'ould as gods amongst their slaves: he convinces them that they (the slaves) are inferior to them, and that they (the G'ould, not sure of spelling) are all-powerful and correct, and must do their bidding, all while being horribly mortal and flawed, despite all the technological hocus-pocus-steal-the-focus underpinnings.

That this twit developer could ever state MDAC is in the kernel is at least as amazing as stating that thread count changes matter all that much, which goes to demonstrate that he's not done any real server-based development, or anything where threadpools are used, which... these days is likely to be just about anything, if factored correctly. Sorry, developing things similar to MS Paint does not make you qualified to judge how many changes in a kernel have resulted as measured by the dubious test of number of total threads ;)
"

You realize that you're talking about the guy from SysInternals, right? The one that made tools that even Microsoft Support Engineers used during their troubleshooting (which I can attest as true given that I worked as a Microsoft Enterprise Technical Router for almost 02 years and saw that happening on a daily basis)? And that this is the same guy that uncovered the inner workings of the infamous Sony rootkit not that long ago?

Are we talking about the same Mark Russinovich? ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Russinovich

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