Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 12th Dec 2008 23:44 UTC, submitted by google_ninja
Windows I'm sure you're all still (sadly) familiar with the recent 'debate' I had with InfoWorld's Randall Kennedy, which detailed a lot of silly things. The seed of that discussion was planted with Kennedy's first article which, among other things, claimed that Windows 7 performed similarly to Windows Vista (meaning, slower than XP). Leaving the thread count discussion behind, Kennedy did include a benchmark which showed that Windows 7 performed similar to Windows Vista. There's a new benchmark out now, comparing a slightly more recent build of Windows 7 to Vista RTM/SP1 and XP SP3, and in these tests, Windows 7 blows all of those out of the water.
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RE[4]: system requirements
by centos_user on Sun 14th Dec 2008 16:19 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: system requirements"
centos_user
Member since:
2008-11-16

"You can absolutely slim redhat or ubuntu or centos down to fit into 1Gb but its going to be a pretty limited install. What, xfce or blackbox as your interface? abiword (if that...hope its more than nano or pico for word processing) for typing word documents, maybe opera for browsing? Good luck getting the average person to use the system.

Still doesn't make a bit of difference. Even if memory prices go back up, and they will, its not going to make a marked difference. You're still going to get $350 computers with 2Gb of memory. You're still going to get $600 computers with 4Gb of memory. Thats where the industry has moved to now. So again, who CARES if the default system needs 1Gb to have all the flash interfaces and features to run well...if ya got it. Use it"


You still don't get it, the Windows Vista aka Windows 7 rehash requires it to run. So memory goes sky high on prices and who cares? Well I guess history does not teach people lessons nor do good programming practices.

Basically you have proven my point to the statement of you can throw CPU & Memory at ANY poorly written Operating System and or Application.

My Centos workstation does not require 2 Gigs of ram to just 'run'. And I do not pay money for AV, Malware/Spyware infections and all of the other daily Windows joys. I use Centos/Fedora at work and home and several others do as well.

In case no one 'cares' electricity is fixing to get extremely expensive when Obama starts taxing coal burning power plants. WE will see who cares and how it is ok to have 4 Gigs to run a home computer. This will happen and the electricity prices will double if not triple when this goes into affect. It will be the same as what just brought the auto makers to the brink of bankruptcy. The powers at the top can make memory go to such extreme prices the same way they did with gasoline/diesel within the time span of less than 6 months. This blows the theory of a $400 pc with 2 gigs of ram to pieces.

Oil was targeted to lower your standard of living and next on the agenda with Obama is electricity don't believe read about carbon credits it is coming and it will be a shocker to the electronics industry. Big flat panel TV's to personal computers they are next in the scope of 'lowering your living standards' to be equal as in socialism...

Also as quoted by Obama, 'don't think it is OK to lower your thermostat to 72 degrees when others in the cannot do it'....

The demise of a free economy is going to be restructured and energy consuming electronics will brought down next. Also, datacenter co-locations prices will be sky-rocketing as well...


And this is all brought to us by the global warming farce in which the earth is actually cooling... Meanwhile people elected a socialist who will 'redistribute the wealth' to those who do not work. And selling out America to this global warming lies forcing Americans to lower their standards of living through taxing and telling people we do not use oil because it is evil...

Thanks

Edited 2008-12-14 16:30 UTC

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RE[5]: system requirements
by centos_user on Sun 14th Dec 2008 16:41 in reply to "RE[4]: system requirements"
centos_user Member since:
2008-11-16

"Obama is on tape saying he would "necessarily" spike the cost of
electricty under his plan by "huge" increases in taxes on coal plants.

Those costs will get shifted to you and me, so that is a tax on over
50% of the people because over 50% of us get our electricity from coal-
fired plants. I live in FL where there are no coal mines. But there is
a coal fired plant 10 minutes away as the crow flies.

Companies that use electricity...that's all of them...will have to
raise their prices to make up their increased costs.

So EVERYONE is going to get a big bite out of his or her paycheck. So
when Obama tells you you're getting a tax cut, you'd better hold onto
your wallet.

You're going to be paying several hundred dollars more for your A/C
and for every product you buy. "


So be prepared and all of the Windows machines that require 2 Gigs to run and 'storage is cheap' we will see how this changes things.

It is coming, mod me down but this will be a fact.

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RE[6]: system requirements
by google_ninja on Sun 14th Dec 2008 17:37 in reply to "RE[5]: system requirements"
google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

dude, where did you come from? i thought i knew all the trolls on this site...

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RE[5]: system requirements
by anduril on Mon 15th Dec 2008 02:18 in reply to "RE[4]: system requirements"
anduril Member since:
2005-11-11

What the hell are you ranting about? This is a discussion of operating systems...not politics or energy policy. 4Gb of DDR2 or 3 takes barely any more power than 1Gb in terms of a home usage scenario. Your processor uses far more, let alone the POS power supplies that most companies ship with their horrible inefficiencies.

Going from 1Gb to 2Gb on my Laptop with 64bit vista took maybe a minute off my runtime. 2Gb to 4Gb maybe 5mins...wahoo. thats massively expensive...expect my computer hibernates at night time using no power. Oh right, and it COULDNT do that under Ubuntu, of Fedora. Didnt matter if I used the nvidia drivers or the free ones...sleep and hibernation failed every time. My ibook gets it right, my three xp and vista desktops get it right and so does my laptop...but hey lets worry about how much more electricity is going to cost having to have 4Gb of memory in our computers!

Seriously man...get a clue

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RE[6]: system requirements
by centos_user on Mon 15th Dec 2008 02:38 in reply to "RE[5]: system requirements"
centos_user Member since:
2008-11-16

"What the hell are you ranting about? This is a discussion of operating systems...not politics or energy policy. 4Gb of DDR2 or 3 takes barely any more power than 1Gb in terms of a home usage scenario. Your processor uses far more, let alone the POS power supplies that most companies ship with their horrible inefficiencies.

Going from 1Gb to 2Gb on my Laptop with 64bit vista took maybe a minute off my runtime. 2Gb to 4Gb maybe 5mins...wahoo. thats massively expensive...expect my computer hibernates at night time using no power. Oh right, and it COULDNT do that under Ubuntu, of Fedora. Didnt matter if I used the nvidia drivers or the free ones...sleep and hibernation failed every time. My ibook gets it right, my three xp and vista desktops get it right and so does my laptop...but hey lets worry about how much more electricity is going to cost having to have 4Gb of memory in our computers!

Seriously man...get a clue"


In case you have not noticed ENERGY is a KEY point right now, just because Microsoft created a memory/cpu hog of an operating system will not fly in the future. Have you not heard of green computing yet, I guess when the environmentalist go after computing devices you will learn to leave the cpu/memory hog operating systems in the pasture where they belong. Windows is a inefficient operating system, that is why it requires tons of memory and a cpu bigger than a mainframe in computing power 15 years ago.

Like it or not ENERGY is at a crisis in this country it is self made predicament created by the powers that be and electricity is going to get extremely expensive believing me or not it is going to happen.

There is now way home users are going to be able to turn on their computers when this occurs because it will be equivalent to the high gasoline/diesel prices that spiked to $4 to $5 a gallon.

MY POINT is you write programs/operating systems to use the LEAST amount of cpu/memory so you if you code it that way is screams on hardware that is more efficient in design than the current I need 2 gigs to start a Vista box and a million ghz processor to meet the system requirements...

With our new 'Leader' electricity is going to spike with taxes on coal power plants and IT is a major player, do you think when it does big flat panels and other high energy consuming devices will be selling?

What happened to the auto industry is coming to the electronics industry in due time. Obama has stated his plans and taxing coal burning power plants WILL have an affect on you whether you choose to ignore it, Microsoft will have to change it business practices with creating bloated operating systems and get back to a normal system requirement that will not cost consumers $$$ per month to run.

Edited 2008-12-15 02:55 UTC

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