Linked by Kroc Camen on Wed 17th Dec 2008 19:32 UTC, submitted by risbac
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless The French competition council has ordered the iPhone be opened up to other French carriers (Google-translated), breaking the exclusivity deal with Orange (France Telecom). The complaint was filed by France's third largest operator Bouygues Telecom who said that the deal violated local competition laws. Though the ruling [fr] is temporary whilst the issue is investigated further, the ruling did state that the arrangement reduced the effects of price competition, network quality and customer service.
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RE[4]: Far too late
by spiderman on Thu 18th Dec 2008 11:17 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Far too late"
spiderman
Member since:
2008-10-23

I believe Apple is not in the top 10 mobile manufacturers, not even in the US.

EDIT: I've found some statistics on the Web.

http://stats.getjar.com/statistics/
Apple is 12th mobile manufacturer
Look at the device table. The iphone is not in the top 100, it's the 212th most sold mobile worldwide, 0.04% of the market, as of November 2008. In the US, it's worse: 0.02%
There are 72 Nokia N95 for 1 Apple iPhone in the world, and the N95 is newer than the iPhone... Maybe the fact that the N95 can send MMS and do J2ME has something to do with it?

Edited 2008-12-18 11:36 UTC

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RE[5]: Far too late
by haakin on Thu 18th Dec 2008 11:47 in reply to "RE[4]: Far too late"
haakin Member since:
2008-12-18

The problem with those statistics is that they are based on measuring the traffic of a number of wap sites:
http://forum.getjar.com/knowledge/GetJar/Developer_FAQ/Q_How_does_G...

Do you think that many iPhone users use wap to browse the web?

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RE[6]: Far too late
by spiderman on Thu 18th Dec 2008 13:09 in reply to "RE[5]: Far too late"
spiderman Member since:
2008-10-23

I don't think N95 users use the wap either.
Anyway, I don't think the statistics are reliable, but I think it is safe to say that Apple is not in the top 10 mobile manufacturers by units sold. Just look around you!

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RE[5]: Far too late
by Adurbe on Thu 18th Dec 2008 12:18 in reply to "RE[4]: Far too late"
Adurbe Member since:
2005-07-06

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/10/21/apple_iphone_3g_sales...

they are the 3rd larges after Nokia and Samsung in terms of units shipped.

please note that means they sell more than the established players like Sony, LG and RIM (blackberry)

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RE[6]: Far too late
by spiderman on Thu 18th Dec 2008 13:07 in reply to "RE[5]: Far too late"
spiderman Member since:
2008-10-23

Your link says "Apple also announced that it is now the third largest mobile phone maker by revenue"
It talks about revenue, not units.
It comes from an Apple satelite site and is misleading. Indeed, Apple revenues are stronger than Sony Ericsson and Motorola, but Apple does not just sell mobile phones, they also sell ipods and computers.
They say they sold $4.6 billions, but that includes everything (from ipods to computers to iphones). their own quarterly report says $419 millions (ten times less):
http://images.apple.com/pr/pdf/q308data_sum.pdf
On the other hand, Sony Ericsson and Motorola only sell mobile phones, and (nearly) all their revenue come from mobile phones. They probably sold 10 times more phones than Apple each.

Anyway, it's hard to find reliable statistics, but I don't have the feeling that Apple is selling much. I don't see iPhones everywhere. The last time I've seen one was more than 6 months ago...
I believe it is safe to say Apple is not in the top 10 mobile manufacturers.

Edited 2008-12-18 13:17 UTC

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