Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 22nd Dec 2008 22:26 UTC, submitted by rexstuff
Windows Windows Vista has been out and about for a while now, and it has already been updated with a service pack, with a second service pack on its way. Vista's successor, Windows 7, is also getting closer and closer to release, but despite all that, Windows XP is still going strong, and demand for the operating system remains high. Because of that, Microsoft has yet again extended Windows XP's lifetime for OEMs and resellers.
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RE: Comment by Kroc
by darknexus on Mon 22nd Dec 2008 22:55 UTC in reply to "Comment by Kroc"
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Oh, they certainly could mess up 7. I'm hoping they don't, and that the Vista experience made them actually take a look at their marketing department. By all accounts, 7 is shaping up to be a very nice release, but even the best releases can be destroyed through mismanagement and hype and that goes for any company, not just Microsoft.

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RE[2]: Comment by Kroc
by Kroc on Mon 22nd Dec 2008 22:57 in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
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I just want one version for £90 with no activation.

Can you see why I’m a Mac user? ;)

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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by darknexus on Mon 22nd Dec 2008 23:58 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
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Hey, I here ya ;) . I'm a Mac user as well.
I'm not sure you'll get Windows as cheap as you want it, but they really could just make one freaking edition and that's it. The only reason Apple can offer OS X as cheap as they do is because they make money off of Mac sales. Microsoft doesn't make much money off of individual PC sales, so they compensate. Plus, people will buy it, and they know that. Vendor lock-in plays a part in this. To Apple, your additional OS X purchases are regarded as upgrades. Even though they can be installed cleanly, the idea is that you bought that disk to upgrade from a previous version of OS X. You've already got an OS X license, which you paid for at the same time as your Mac--a package deal, if you will. It's a different mentality. Also, they're trying to make their os more attractive to both individuals and enterprises at the moment.
And how long do you think it would be, if OS X were to ever run on standard PCs officially, before an activation scheme would be introduced? At the moment, Apple really doesn't have to worry about it, but they'd implement something in a heartbeat if piracy of OS X became as rampant as it is with Windows.
Don't get me wrong, I love OS X and the Mac platform. I'm glad OS X is so cheap compared to Windows, and I'm glad there's no activation. Just trying to point out why this is the case, and that it is like comparing Apples and oranges (yes, pun intended).

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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by linumax on Tue 23rd Dec 2008 00:03 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
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Speaking of cost, there's price, and then there's release cycle.

You pay for XP (2001) and for Vista (2007). ==> 2x

Meanwhile, you pay for Cheetah(/Puma) (2001), Jaguar (2002), Panther (2003), Tiger (2005) and Leopard (2007). ==> 5x

However, both OSs come installed, and most non-techie Mac/Windows users that I know (ie. rep. of majority of market), never bother upgrading their OS, until they buy their next machine.

The point above, to some extent, deals with the issue of customer confusion as well. Also, I believe only three editions of Vista are available off the shelf, not that hard to choose from, and still upgradeable at any time.

Of course a single version is preferred, but Microsoft is marketing it's product to a much larger base, so they can make a few more bucks by having different price ranges.

Edited 2008-12-23 00:05 UTC

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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by S Barringer on Wed 24th Dec 2008 18:03 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
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Yup, me too, but I'm running Linux distros (flavors change frequently). A few bucks and I'm in business. Microsoft needs to change it's business model (commonly known as greed).
When I find a distro that perfectly fits my needs, I'm happy to pay the developer a reasonable price for his work. I resent being screwed (forced to pay through the nose) by some company (unnamed, but you know who I'm talking about) out of high dollars for a piece of crap! Then, I resent having to beg for an activation code every time I change a piece of hardware which is very frequently. This is a big irritation to me.
Thus, Linux.
But, I do hope that Windows 7 turns out to be a quality piece of work so that those who don't like steep learning curves (like Unix geeks) will finally get what they pay for.

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RE[2]: Comment by Kroc
by poundsmack on Mon 22nd Dec 2008 22:58 in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
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don't worry about 7. as long as they include direct x11 and dont stray frmo the path they are on now its going to be a nice solid release. like really solid.

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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by lemur2 on Tue 23rd Dec 2008 03:54 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
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don't worry about 7. as long as they include direct x11 and dont stray frmo the path they are on now its going to be a nice solid release. like really solid.

I doubt it very much. They will still include DRM, WGA and fundamental security vulnerabilities in Windows 7. Windows 7 will still have a core architecture derived from Vista, and hence retain Vista's driver incompatibility with and hardware that was out of production before Vista's launch ... which includes a large number of printers and NAS devices.

Windows 7 will still be written in the best interests of big business America, rather than the best interests of the end users who will nevertheless be expected to pay for it. There will still be all kinds of functions inextricably embedded in the core of the software which oppose or restrict what the end user of the system may do with his or her own system.

Hardware manufacturers (rather than OS suppliers) will still be expected to write the drivers, and there will still be zero incentive for hardware OEMs to do that for hardware they have already sold.

Windows 7 will hence very likely be almost as borked as Vista is. It will barely be better than a Vista service pack ... except that, unlike a service pack, you will have to pay for it.

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