Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 22nd Dec 2008 22:26 UTC, submitted by rexstuff
Windows Windows Vista has been out and about for a while now, and it has already been updated with a service pack, with a second service pack on its way. Vista's successor, Windows 7, is also getting closer and closer to release, but despite all that, Windows XP is still going strong, and demand for the operating system remains high. Because of that, Microsoft has yet again extended Windows XP's lifetime for OEMs and resellers.
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RE[4]: Comment by Kroc
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 23rd Dec 2008 07:08 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Kroc"
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

Windows 7 will hence very likely be almost as borked as Vista is. It will barely be better than a Vista service pack ... except that, unlike a service pack, you will have to pay for it.


And I assume you all base these conclusions on usage of Windows 7? Or, as usual, are you pulling all this out of your GNU ass?

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RE[5]: Comment by Kroc
by lemur2 on Tue 23rd Dec 2008 09:26 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Kroc"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

"Windows 7 will hence very likely be almost as borked as Vista is. It will barely be better than a Vista service pack ... except that, unlike a service pack, you will have to pay for it.


And I assume you all base these conclusions on usage of Windows 7? Or, as usual, are you pulling all this out of your GNU ass?
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Testy, testy Thom.

I base my conclusions on what Steve Sinofsky promises for Windows 7 ... or rather on what he doesn't promise for it.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-9951638-56.html

Sinofsky actually promises very little:
http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/techbeat/archives/2008/10/wh...
Windows 7 just isn’t all that exciting. It seems to be more about fixing the ills of Vista and improving the experience of using existing capabilities, than taking any giant leaps forward.


Unfortunately they talk about performance, but then utterly fail to mention what is really wrong with Vista, which is Vista's many anti-user features.

Nowhere, nowhere at all, is their ever any mention from Microsoft of really fixing what is wrong with Vista (from the point of view of the people who are expected to pay for Vista). Wake me up when Steven Sinofsky comes out and promises that Windows 7 will have no WGA, no DRM, no call-home spyware of any kind, and no other anti-user features. Wake me up when Sinofsky promises that Vista will come with Microsoft-written and tested Vista/Windows 7 compatible drivers for out-of-production (or legacy) peripheral hardware that people may own.

Then, finally, and only then, there might actually be substance in the vague promises of better performance and of "fixing Vista" via Windows 7. Then, and only then, would Windows 7 possibly become something worth paying for from the point of view of people who are actually expected to be paying for it.

PS: In all this, please don't misunderstand ... I do agree with Microsoft and with Sinofsky that Vista does have miserable performance (compared with any other OS on the same hardware), and that Windows 7 should be aimed at addressing that problem as well:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=java_vm_performa...

Edited 2008-12-23 09:35 UTC

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RE[6]: Comment by Kroc
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 23rd Dec 2008 11:40 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by Kroc"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Wake me up when Steven Sinofsky comes out and promises that Windows 7 will have no WGA, no DRM, no call-home spyware of any kind, and no other anti-user features.


What is this "DRM" that you speak of? I've been using Windows products for a while now, including Windows Vista and Windows 7, and even though people like you keep blabbering on about it, I've never actually encountered any problems, limitations, or whatever from it.

Personally, I've never experienced this whole "DRM" thing you get so excited about in Windows.

I also don't know about any "phone home spyware". WGA is Microsoft's perogative, and I've never been bitten by it, and at OSNews we've already reported about how much improvement there has been, with false positives effectively eliminated. In other words, in case you're a pirate, well, then it's your own damn fault. WGA exists for a reason, and it's a damn nuisance, but only once, after installation.

Unless you're being a pirate, in which case it's your own damn fault.

In any case, we've established that you didn't actually try out Windows 7, which means that your opinion is void. Not that that needed any verification, but it's nice to know.

Edited 2008-12-23 11:42 UTC

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RE[5]: Comment by Kroc
by Adurbe on Tue 23rd Dec 2008 12:21 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Kroc"
Adurbe Member since:
2005-07-06

Thom, where did you get your Windows 7 from?

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RE[5]: Comment by Kroc
by cyclops on Wed 24th Dec 2008 00:32 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Kroc"
cyclops Member since:
2006-03-12

I like the new Thom ;) no more pretending to be unbiased.

Have you used the released version of Vista II....oh you haven't, that's because its not RTM, you can merely speculate.

Of course however you look at it its making a silk purse out of a sows ear. You can only argue that Microsoft have will pull this feat off.

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