Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 23rd Dec 2008 20:20 UTC, submitted by AdamW
Mandriva, Mandrake, Lycoris The first pre-release of Mandriva Linux 2009 Spring is now available. This alpha concentrates on updating to the major desktop components of the distribution, including KDE 4.2 Beta 2, GNOME 2.25.2, Xfce 4.6 Beta 2, X.org server 1.5, and kernel 2.6.28 rc8. It is also the first distribution to introduce the major new Tcl/Tk release, 8.6. The alpha is available only in the DVD Free edition with a traditional installer and no proprietary applications; future pre-releases will add the live CD One edition with proprietary drivers. Please help test this first pre-release and report bugs to Mandriva.
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KDE 3?
by fukudasan on Wed 24th Dec 2008 01:35 UTC
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Member since:
2006-06-04

I allowed 2009.0 to download on my main machine when the original notification came through, and it installed flawlessly and worked first time. But I didn't keep it, and eventually reinstalled 2008.1. The reason: KDE 4.x.

KDE 4 actually worked quite well on my older system (desktop). I had also installed it under 2008.1 on my laptop but 2009.0 KDE 4 would not work on this newer machine at all, and I still have no idea why. All I got was a blank screen, and this was bizarre because it was working on that machine under 2008.1.

But what made me uninstall, more than anything else, was that it seemed difficult to find information about how to configure it. There was (and still is, even now) constant intrusion by apps which are transitioning from Qt3 to Qt4. The whole menu was full of apps with double entries (one for KDE3, one for KDE4). In the end I just gave up in exasperation.

So I hope that full implementation and suport for KDE 3 will remain in 2009.1 as KDE 4 has not impressed me except with regard to the trouble it has caused. I still think I will have to start using a different DE with Mandriva in the end, as KDE4 in 2009.0 drove me nuts.

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RE: KDE 3?
by AdamW on Wed 24th Dec 2008 02:08 in reply to "KDE 3?"
AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

KDE 3 will be dropped from 2009 Spring. Some packages remain so we can build important KDE 3 apps that have not yet been ported to KDE 4, but you will not be able to use a KDE 3 desktop.

Many more apps are now available in KDE 4 / Qt 4 versions, and KDE 4.2 is a substantial improvement on 4.1. We'd really like it for people like to you test the 2009 Spring pre-releases and report problems; it's the only way the KDE 4 experience will come to meet and exceed the KDE 3 experience in all areas. If people just give up and go to old releases or other desktops, it will never happen.

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RE[2]: KDE 3?
by fukudasan on Wed 24th Dec 2008 02:36 in reply to "RE: KDE 3?"
fukudasan Member since:
2006-06-04

Well then, I guess it's time for a new DE. KDE 4 is just not what I am looking for; I prefer KDE 3.

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RE[2]: KDE 3?
by cjcoats on Wed 24th Dec 2008 15:55 in reply to "RE: KDE 3?"
cjcoats Member since:
2006-04-16

I'm running KDE3 under Mandriva 2009.0 on one of my two main machines, and finally have almost everything running right (problems with sound remain).

I never could manage to configure mouse buttons under KDE4, and wasted lots of time trying to get it to work. In particular, I never could get mouse-buttons-in-root-window to work correctly: ever since OL(V)WM on a SPARC2 fifteen years ago, I've expected to be able to get application-menu and windowlist-menu by clicking on the root window. Frankly, KDE3 has had the most friendly/configurable menu setup I've encountered anywhere, but I can't figure out how to get this to work under 2009.0's KDE4.

And this is a showstopper for me: I do highly detailed graphics work, and usually use virtual 3200x2560 on a physical 1920x1200 monitor, and having to find the "MENU" button somewhere in a corner is painful.

What will be the status of mouse-buttons-in-root-window for 2009.1?

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RE: KDE 3?
by Jokel on Wed 24th Dec 2008 07:34 in reply to "KDE 3?"
Jokel Member since:
2006-06-01

While I must say my first experience with KDE4 on Mandriva 2009 was a bit of a bumpy ride, I am used to it and really like it by now. I do not want to go back to KDE 3.5.

I don't know if you also did the rather massive update after installing Mandriva 2009. It upgrades KDE 4.1.2 to KDE 1.2.3. The latter is far more polished than the original version.

Also - I think a lot of problems you experienced stem from the fact you installed KDE 3.5 and KDE 4.1.2 at the same time. While I must admit I still use some KDE 3.5 applications (Kommander, Kedit etc.) that are not (yet?) ported to KDE4, I only have some needed libraries installed, but no KDE 3.5. I do not have double menu entries and all that stuff.

Yes - KDE4 has still some rough edges, but no showstoppers as far as I concern. And yes, it takes some time to get used to KDE4, but if you use it on a regular day-to-day base this does not take a very long time. I am really looking forward to Mandriva 2009.1 where KDE 4.2 will be used.

While it is possible to jump to another distro that is still using KDE 3.5, I think it is just a matter of time before they will drop KDE3 too. Do not forget a lot of major distro's (Fedora, OpenSUSE, Kubuntu etc.) are allready jumping on the KDE4 bandwagon (altough I must admit Kubuntu does a lousy job on it). It is just a matter of time KDE 3.5 is something of the past.

I would say - just use KDE4. Help to improve KDE4 by requesting new features and submit bug reports if something goes wrong. If you keep standing on the sideline, just shouting you don't like it it will never improve the way you want it. Do not forget it is not possible to please everyone, but it is completely impossible to please someone who does not participate and does not say what he/she/it wants.

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RE[2]: KDE 3?
by UltraZelda64 on Wed 24th Dec 2008 09:12 in reply to "RE: KDE 3?"
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2006-12-05

I don't know; every time I've tried KDE4, it just wasn't there yet. Buggy, incomplete, a memory hog, and just not very pleasant. While those "big distros" try to gain users by being on the bleeding edge with the latest-and-not-so-greatest software, I'll stick with the more conservative distros when it comes to KDE. I'll take KDE3 any day over KDE4, and I don't see that *ever* changing on a machine with around 256 megs of RAM or so. It's unsuitable and runs *horrible* on such systems. Maybe sometime in the future KDE4 will be nice on a more modern system, but last time I checked it left a lot to be desired.

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RE[2]: KDE 3?
by KAMiKAZOW on Wed 24th Dec 2008 12:12 in reply to "RE: KDE 3?"
KAMiKAZOW Member since:
2005-07-06

I don't know if you also did the rather massive update after installing Mandriva 2009. It upgrades KDE 4.1.2 to KDE 1.2.3. The latter is far more polished than the original version.

KDE 1.2.3? :-)

While it is possible to jump to another distro that is still using KDE 3.5, I think it is just a matter of time before they will drop KDE3 too. Do not forget a lot of major distro's (Fedora, OpenSUSE, Kubuntu etc.) are allready jumping on the KDE4 bandwagon

At least openSUSE still offers KDE 3.5. While it's unlikely that KDE 3.5 will still be included on the openSUSE 11.2 DVD, it's very likely that it will be in the repos.
I'm not sure if KDE 3 will be part of SUSE Linux Enterprise (to be released in January), but if it will, then Novell has the obligation to its customers to maintain KDE 3.5 for another 7 years.

It is just a matter of time KDE 3.5 is something of the past.

True. There's so many outdated stuff in there (aRTs for example).

I would say - just use KDE4. Help to improve KDE4 by requesting new features and submit bug reports if something goes wrong.

Also true. It's not that much work to simulate KDE 3 with KDE 4 technologies.

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RE[2]: KDE 3?
by cjcoats on Thu 25th Dec 2008 02:05 in reply to "RE: KDE 3?"
cjcoats Member since:
2006-04-16

Sorry, I wasn't clear: after having wasted about twenty hours trying to get a KDE4 based 2009.0 install to work properly for me (including two installs, with lots of time waiting for the net-based 4.1.3 upgrade), I re-formatted /usr, installed a no-KDE 2009.0 from scratch, and then installed KDE3 from the net repositories. Now, it works for me.

I still have my question unanswered: when will mouse-button-in-root-windows be configurable? Or will that ever happen in KDE4? I repeat: That is a show-stopper for me.

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RE: KDE 3?
by KugelKurt on Wed 24th Dec 2008 11:01 in reply to "KDE 3?"
KugelKurt Member since:
2005-07-06

2009.0 KDE 4 would not work on this newer machine at all, and I still have no idea why. All I got was a blank screen, and this was bizarre because it was working on that machine under 2008.1.

Is your graphics card composite-compatible? The card in my desktop PC is not, but when I enable OpenGL-based compositing anyway I get exact the same error. It could be that there's a bug in composite detection and that it gets enabled even though it should not.

There was (and still is, even now) constant intrusion by apps which are transitioning from Qt3 to Qt4. The whole menu was full of apps with double entries (one for KDE3, one for KDE4). In the end I just gave up in exasperation.

I purged my installation of KDE 3 apps a while ago so no double entries for me. :-)
Too bad it's partially Mandriva's fault that some apps still don't have KDE4 ports. K3b's main developer works for Mandriva, but they think that tagging files through Nepomuk is more important than burning DVDs...
Well, Brasero works fine in KDE so I no longer care about K3b.

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