Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 29th Dec 2008 19:54 UTC
Windows Coming January, Windows 7 will make its big debut in the form of the first public beta release. However, just as with any other pre-final Windows build, it has already been leaked onto various torrent websites, and Paul Thurrot, everyone's favourite Microsoft zealot ["...hopefully Web site owners will get serious about getting ready for the next IE and correct these issues." Wait, what?], has written a review of this new beta. He concludes: "In use, Windows 7 is fairly unexceptional in the sense that, yes, it has some nice improvements over Windows Vista, but, no, none of them are particularly major changes. In this sense, Windows 7 is much like your typical Microsoft Office release, a nicely tweaked version of the previous release. (Cue the obvious Steven Sinofsky anecdote here, I guess.) That said, Windows Vista is clearly in need of a spit-shine, not to mention a public execution, and Windows 7 will provide Microsoft with a way to do both."
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RE: This is is a killer
by Xeon3D on Tue 30th Dec 2008 10:20 UTC in reply to "This is is a killer"
Xeon3D
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2005-07-08

I was commenting about this exact same sentence a day or two ago (since I saw the article long before it appeared here), since when are website owners responsible if the browser engine doesn't adhere to standards and because of such renders webpages incorrectly?

It's like someone telling the city council that they need to change the road pavement because their cars don't have tires...

Oh well, seeing from who it's coming, I'm not amazed (nor amused unfortunately).

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RE[2]: This is is a killer
by griffinme on Tue 30th Dec 2008 12:32 in reply to "RE: This is is a killer"
griffinme Member since:
2005-11-09

since when are website owners responsible if the browser engine doesn't adhere to standards and because of such renders webpages incorrectly?

It's like someone telling the city council that they need to change the road pavement because their cars don't have tires...


When the browser has a _huge_ majority it is the standard. My committee of two dogs, a cat and I can declare that all breakfast cereals come in only square boxes and not rectangular ones or we will not eat them. We shouldn't whine when we go hungry in the morning. The rest of the world would rather "get things done".

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RE[3]: This is is a killer
by Feanor on Tue 30th Dec 2008 13:46 in reply to "RE[2]: This is is a killer"
Feanor Member since:
2006-12-21

When the browser has a _huge_ majority it is the standard.


You are right, but here are the statistics (top 3 browsers):

2008 IE7 IE6 Firefox
November 26.6% 20.0% 44.2%

By changing their standards away from what they were in an older version, MS has split their majority in half, and now Firefox should be the standard by your logic.

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RE[2]: This is is a killer
by edogawaconan on Tue 30th Dec 2008 13:54 in reply to "RE: This is is a killer"
edogawaconan Member since:
2006-10-10

I was commenting about this exact same sentence a day or two ago (since I saw the article long before it appeared here), since when are website owners responsible if the browser engine doesn't adhere to standards and because of such renders webpages incorrectly?

who to blame when both the website and the browser engine don't adhere to standards? ;)

Edited 2008-12-30 13:55 UTC

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RE[2]: This is is a killer
by Laurence on Thu 1st Jan 2009 19:29 in reply to "RE: This is is a killer"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

I was commenting about this exact same sentence a day or two ago (since I saw the article long before it appeared here), since when are website owners responsible if the browser engine doesn't adhere to standards and because of such renders webpages incorrectly?

It's like someone telling the city council that they need to change the road pavement because their cars don't have tires...

Oh well, seeing from who it's coming, I'm not amazed (nor amused unfortunately).

If your business earns from its website (be it because of online shops or just because you advertise your products on there) then it's every bit yours and our responsibility to ensure it supports every major browser - even if it's the browsers fault in not adhearing to w3c standards.

Not to do so is a little like cutting off your own nose to spite your face.

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