Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 17th Jan 2009 15:29 UTC
Internet Explorer After successfully battling Microsoft over the company's bundling of Windows Media Player, the European Union is now ready for more. The European Commission has charged Microsoft with violating competition laws because of the Microsoft's bundling of Internet Explorer with Windows.
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RE[4]: Again?
by nberardi on Sun 18th Jan 2009 04:59 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Again?"
nberardi
Member since:
2005-07-10

What you don't understand is that by not bundling IE. It will mean there will be no browser on Windows, so how the hell do you plan on getting to the Internet?

Sure OEM's can bundle other browsers, but if that is an option why is IE a problem? The browser war was over about 3 years ago. IE's market share is vastly shrinking.

The EU is strapped for cash with the recent economic downturn, so where do they turn. Yup Microsoft, with some trumped up charge for something nobody cares about and a market that is getting more and more competitive. We now have 5 mainstream browsers that run on Windows.

If this is the case I want Safari off OSX and iPhone, and Firefox off Ubuntu. Hell get rid of browsers all together, we will just go back to the stone age, with Telnet. That is what the EU wants, so it must be good.

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RE[5]: Again?
by Clinton on Sun 18th Jan 2009 05:30 in reply to "RE[4]: Again?"
Clinton Member since:
2005-07-05

I don't think the problem is that Windows comes with IE pre-installed, but rather that you can't get rid of the dumb thing. Microsoft purposefully "integrated" it into the OS. That's what people are upset about.

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RE[6]: Again?
by lemur2 on Sun 18th Jan 2009 07:49 in reply to "RE[5]: Again?"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

I don't think the problem is that Windows comes with IE pre-installed, but rather that you can't get rid of the dumb thing. Microsoft purposefully "integrated" it into the OS. That's what people are upset about.


Not only that, but also that the browser has a lot of non-standard and proprietary-to-Microsoft technology in it.

Siverlight is yet another new instance of the same type of thing.

The clear intent is to get web content as much as possible to require Microsoft-only technologies on the clients to view it. Anyone wishing to surf the web would then need to do so from a Windows platform.

That is what is so objectionable, and that, very much, is what is anti-trust about Microsoft irremovably bundling IE with Windows.

The Internet is intended to be platform independent, a world-wide resource for everyone to use. Microsoft must not be allowed to corrupt that.

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RE[6]: Again?
by nberardi on Sun 18th Jan 2009 17:40 in reply to "RE[5]: Again?"
nberardi Member since:
2005-07-10

Can you get rid of Safari on OSX? Can I swap out FireFox for browsing the Apple iTunes Store inside iTunes? No it is tightly integrated in.

So I would respect you guys a lot more if you actually took the same stance for all instances of vendor lock in, not just the companies who you have decided to hate for whatever reason.

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glarepate Member since:
2006-01-04

Ftp
Wget
Curl
BitTorrent

Not bundling IE doesn't mean that they can't bundle other browsers. Or offer Ftp scripts to download other browsers.

How did cavemen get their kills back home without SUVs?

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nberardi Member since:
2005-07-10

Yeah because the person first buy a computer would know what the hell all that stuff is. Come on, is this really the best argument you can come up with for how people can get on the internet on Windows with out IE.

It really proves my point of how stupid this latest attempt by the EU is.

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RE[5]: Again?
by anda_skoa on Sun 18th Jan 2009 12:31 in reply to "RE[4]: Again?"
anda_skoa Member since:
2005-07-07

It will mean there will be no browser on Windows, so how the hell do you plan on getting to the Internet?


This is of course a common misunderstanding of people less involved with IT related technologies.

The software part which actually "gets you to the Internet" is usually referred to as the TCP/IP stack. While not totally correct since you'll also need UDP/IP and ICMP, it is close enought to be accepted as the most widely used term.

A web browser is, as its name already indicates, only necessary to browse the "world wide web" (also referred to as WWW or just Web).

All other forms use cases such as communication (e.g mail, instant messaging, telephony), software distribution (installation, updates, upgrades), gaming (e.g. World of Warcraft), and so on have their own client side programs for transporting their respective data through the network.

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RE[6]: Again?
by nberardi on Sun 18th Jan 2009 17:37 in reply to "RE[5]: Again?"
nberardi Member since:
2005-07-10

Thanks for the history lesson, but to be frank I was being overly generic for a reason. We have all seen the news article about the young lady who blamed Dell because she could install Verizon High Speed Internet on her Ubuntu. What chances does she have if Internet Explorer isn't on the PC.

The point is to the average person Internet == World Wide Web == Email == Web Browsing == Online Shopping. They are all the same to the common person buying a computer for the first time, you can't expect them to know how to FTP to Mozilla to download Firefox to get on the internet.

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