Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 26th Jan 2009 11:56 UTC
Internet & Networking Earlier this month, news got out that the European Commission is charging Microsoft with unlawful competition regarding its bundling of the Internet Explorer web bowser with Windows. At the time, information was scarce, but thanks to Microsoft's quarterly filing at the Securities and Exchange Commission. we now have a little more insight into what the EU might force Microsoft to do.
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How typical
by pfortuny on Mon 26th Jan 2009 12:01 UTC
pfortuny
Member since:
2006-02-05

And what if I DO NOT WANT TO BE ABLE TO CHOOSE? Or what if I do not want to make that decision? And what if I want my browser INCLUDED in my OS?

The EU is getting so utterly BORING and stupid....... Much more than I thought it would.

Pedro.

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RE: How typical
by _txf_ on Mon 26th Jan 2009 12:04 in reply to "How typical"
_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17

true...

but at least they're not Microsofts bitch, unlike the US govt.

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RE[2]: How typical
by modmans2ndcoming on Mon 26th Jan 2009 13:13 in reply to "RE: How typical"
modmans2ndcoming Member since:
2005-11-09

Recall, it was the Bush administration who changed the Government's side on the case and helped MS apeal Jackson's ruling.

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RE: How typical
by Matzon on Mon 26th Jan 2009 12:28 in reply to "How typical"
Matzon Member since:
2005-07-06

And what if I DO NOT WANT TO BE ABLE TO CHOOSE?

Buy the commercial version - its only the OEMs that are being forced.

Or what if I do not want to make that decision?

So someone else is better at telling you which software you should use? I would assume you would be the best one to make that choice?

And what if I want my browser INCLUDED in my OS?

it IS included, you just have to choose which to use.

Its similar to choosing write.exe or notepad.exe - instead of being forced to only use write.exe

of course one could argue that several application could have the same issue, which is why Microsoft has the 'Set program access and defaults' option. They just need to run it in the installation.

That said, I think that only a limited number of people would understand the choice given: Please choose your browser: (a) (b) (c). How many products should be listed? How would "normal" people know the difference?

Edited 2009-01-26 12:28 UTC

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RE[2]: How typical
by modmans2ndcoming on Mon 26th Jan 2009 13:14 in reply to "RE: How typical"
modmans2ndcoming Member since:
2005-11-09

I guess the setup helper will be responsable for downloading the browser too?

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Abitrary and unfair
by fluxy on Mon 26th Jan 2009 13:24 in reply to "RE: How typical"
fluxy Member since:
2008-01-30

While I am not pro-microsoft, I believe this is arbitrary and unfair. What about Mac or Linux? Admittedly they do not have a monopoly, but they are also trying to "force-sell/include" some software.

What would be nice is, have a barebones Windows Installation and then on first-run, ask the user if he/she wants to have 1. Windows Media Player 2. Internet Explorer 3. Outlook Express 4. OneCare 5. Windows Live Components..etc installed, and if so, they get installed (offline - just pop in cd or something like that). No need to include other programs like Firefox or Chrome or Thunderbird. Microsoft, like any other company should not be forced to distribute/advertise for other software.

It's like telling Renault to ask their customers which brand of radio they want on purchase or what engine. The whole thing forms part of the windows experience and license. What do they want removed next? notepad? explorer.exe? or maybe have people choose between cygwin and command prompt.

Buy the commercial version - its only the OEMs that are being forced.


Then perhaps is it time for OEMs to die? Have microsoft given them a "free" version of "windows x basic edition" instead? Besides why should Microsoft be the only OEM OS concerned?

P.S. I am not a Microsoft Fanboy, just that Stupidity cannot be condoned, and justice cannot be arbitrary.

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RE: How typical
by dylansmrjones on Mon 26th Jan 2009 12:28 in reply to "How typical"
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

And what if I DO NOT WANT TO BE ABLE TO CHOOSE?


Simple. Move to North Korea... that'll take care of that one.

Or what if I do not want to make that decision? And what if I want my browser INCLUDED in my OS?


1) Don't make the decision. Let the default be chosen. If there is no default, it is your responsibility to choose. If you don't want such a responsibility, you really shouldn't stay alive. Freedom and responsibility is the foundation of western civilization. Besides that, your malfunctioning shouldn't limit the freedom of the rest of us.

2) With this solution a browser will still be included. You just get to decide which one will be default without the hassle of installing it manually. No big whoop.

The EU is getting so utterly BORING and stupid....... Much more than I thought it would.


True enough. But it's been like that for decades. At least it is again possible to measure the quality of non-straight cucumbers :p

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RE: How typical - the default
by jabbotts on Mon 26th Jan 2009 23:31 in reply to "How typical"
jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

If you don't want to choose then, you pick the default option and continue on with your life. Now, do you always complain when given a choice or only when it's related to your preferred software brand?

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RE: How typical
by kajaman on Tue 27th Jan 2009 07:12 in reply to "How typical"
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2006-01-06

EU government has 2 sides - good and bad - and they are the same - government makes much more intervention into markets than in US, by more strict regulations etc. This is usually a case with member states governments too. Bad side of this is that eurocrats from Brussels tend to invent thousands of stupid laws (like infamous rule of cucumber size and curve). On the other hand this prevented us from deep crisis that USA faced - banking systems are working here more traditional, less risky way.

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RE: How typical
by gustl on Tue 27th Jan 2009 12:59 in reply to "How typical"
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2006-01-19

what if I want my browser INCLUDED in my OS?


Then tell the OEM, that you want to have your Browser included. Where is the problem?

If you are a complete newbie to computers, let the OEM make the decision for you.
A pro-Firefox OEM will give you Firefox, a pro-Opera OEM will give you Opera, a pro-IE OEM will give you IE.

You will be happy with each of these browsers, so were is the problem there?

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