Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 26th Jan 2009 11:56 UTC
Internet & Networking Earlier this month, news got out that the European Commission is charging Microsoft with unlawful competition regarding its bundling of the Internet Explorer web bowser with Windows. At the time, information was scarce, but thanks to Microsoft's quarterly filing at the Securities and Exchange Commission. we now have a little more insight into what the EU might force Microsoft to do.
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RE: Comment by bile
by Eerde on Mon 26th Jan 2009 14:33 UTC in reply to "Comment by bile"
Eerde
Member since:
2008-06-23

If you don't like what they do don't purchase the product.

The problem is that 97.8% of PC's sold come with Microsoft pre installed, that is the scam !
If you could send Microsoft the activation code and got your money back that would help. Ever better would be to choose an OS at the checkout;

XP sp3 $ 125
Vi$ta home $ 225
Vi$ta Business $ 350
Office 2007 $ 625
Antivirus $ 125
These are the actual prices here in Europe !
or

(K)Ubuntu $ 5
openSuSE $ 5
Mandriva $ 5
Red Hat $ 5
openOffice $ 0
Anti virus $ 0

Now that gives the consumer choice and is fair competition !

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RE[2]: Comment by bile
by Coxy on Mon 26th Jan 2009 15:04 in reply to "RE: Comment by bile"
Coxy Member since:
2006-07-01

Fine by me, as long as you add below

'(K)Ubuntu $ 5
openSuSE $ 5
Mandriva $ 5
Red Hat $ 5
openOffice $ 0
Anti virus $ 0 '

* You will not be able to play games you previously used to - try planeshift instead of WoW, it's better because it's opensource, you can contribute code to the project. And your documents when opened with OOo won't look or be 100% compat. with MS Office. Also your chat programme won't support all the features your current one does, but who needs to be able send stupid sound samples and huge smilies like Yahoo messenger does? The devs didn't code anything like that because you actually need friends for that... which they don't have being geeks and all.

Edited 2009-01-26 15:08 UTC

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RE[3]: Comment by bile
by Eerde on Mon 26th Jan 2009 16:21 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by bile"
Eerde Member since:
2008-06-23

Fine by me, as long as you add below

* You will not be able to play games you previously used to - try planeshift instead of WoW, it's better because it's opensource, you can contribute code to the project. And your documents when opened with OOo won't look or be 100% compat. with MS Office. Also your chat programme won't support all the features your current one does, but who needs to be able send stupid sound samples and huge smilies like Yahoo messenger does? The devs didn't code anything like that because you actually need friends for that... which they don't have being geeks and all.

a. The gaming argument is lame. There are plenty of games for GNU/Linux and most games are not played on a PC anymore as you may have noticed. WOW works fine on GNU/Linux I hear.
b. If there are problems with Microsoft docs that is entirely up to Microsoft, compatibility & open standards it is called !
c. There are so many chat programs for GNU/Linux, that there must be one that comes close to or has the specific functions a particular user wants/needs. Try aMSN or Skype or Pidgin or Kopete etc. for just chat with all your email buddies use Google-chat !
d. But the most important point is that is is 'free'&'free', free as in freedom but also free as in 'gratis'.
Now can Microsoft beat that ?

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RE[3]: Comment by bile
by EvilPixieMan on Tue 27th Jan 2009 06:21 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by bile"
EvilPixieMan Member since:
2009-01-27

BINGO!!!

Give the man a banana.

One of the key reasons you need your little disclaimer there about things like games platform support, document compatibility with MS Office, and interoperability with IM networks like MSN chat, is that MS are in a monopoly position and have been abusing their monopoly position to protect their marketshare.

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RE[3]: Comment by bile
by kajaman on Tue 27th Jan 2009 07:15 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by bile"
kajaman Member since:
2006-01-06

That warning about Office documents should also be shown each time you buy new version of Office - their backward compatibility is worse than OOs in my experience. Well, OOo 2.4-3.0 migration gets close to Microsoft standards here, as it's pretty painful too.

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RE[3]: Comment by bile
by raver31 on Tue 27th Jan 2009 10:18 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by bile"
raver31 Member since:
2005-07-06

playonlinux.com

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RE[2]: Comment by bile
by smashIt on Mon 26th Jan 2009 19:55 in reply to "RE: Comment by bile"
smashIt Member since:
2005-07-06

XP sp3 $ 125
Vi$ta home $ 225
Vi$ta Business $ 350
Office 2007 $ 625
Antivirus $ 125
These are the actual prices here in Europe !


no they aren't, they are retailprices that are not compareable with oem-prices
xp comes in at around 30$ for oems
office 2007 starts at 67€ as retail
and there is a lot of free software for windows (including antivirus and office)

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RE[3]: Comment by bile
by raver31 on Tue 27th Jan 2009 10:20 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by bile"
raver31 Member since:
2005-07-06

I am an OEM and XP is $95 here in the UK.

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RE[2]: Comment by bile
by WorknMan on Mon 26th Jan 2009 20:27 in reply to "RE: Comment by bile"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

The problem is that 97.8% of PC's sold come with Microsoft pre installed, that is the scam !
If you could send Microsoft the activation code and got your money back that would help. Ever better would be to choose an OS at the checkout;


Ok then, how many Macs are sold without OSX? When I buy a Mac, can I send in an activation code to get my money back if I wish not to use OSX?

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RE[3]: Comment by bile
by Moulinneuf on Mon 26th Jan 2009 22:28 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by bile"
Moulinneuf Member since:
2005-07-06

http://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/salespolicies.html#topic-2...

All of them Mac OS X is not sold ... if you return the software bundle un-opened they give you a refund.

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