Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 26th Jan 2009 11:56 UTC
Internet & Networking Earlier this month, news got out that the European Commission is charging Microsoft with unlawful competition regarding its bundling of the Internet Explorer web bowser with Windows. At the time, information was scarce, but thanks to Microsoft's quarterly filing at the Securities and Exchange Commission. we now have a little more insight into what the EU might force Microsoft to do.
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RE: Comment by bile
by melkor on Tue 27th Jan 2009 03:05 UTC in reply to "Comment by bile"
melkor
Member since:
2006-12-16

You are mostly correct, although posting what you said in a pro Linux/BSD environment won't win you many friends.

I'd like to see Microsoft just pull Windows and Office from Europe. Europe would sink quicker than the bloody well Titanic did. Let them use Linux and OpenOffice, boy oh boy are they in for a big surprise on both accounts.

Whilst I'm a fan of governments playing a larger role in the software industry, I don't think this is the right way to approach it. Software patents need to be removed to encourage *true* competition, not competition bullied by bigger companies that happen to hold a patent because the USPTO gave it to them on the premise of monetary exchange. Software licences need to be really hammered big time, consumers have almost *no* rights. Responsibility for software must be legislatively enforced. And government agencies must offer documents in open formats. Note that I'm not saying that they must ONLY offer open formats like some Linux nuts would suggest, but they that offer a *variety* of formats to the customer/end user.

I hope Europe has a go at Apple, since it bundles Safari with OS X, and doesn't give you the choice of not installing it. True, with OS X it's easier to get rid of Safari, but for the average user, it's probably messier, since you have to pull crap out of /Applications, /System, /library/preferences, ~/library/preferences etc I suspect. Apple is far more of a anti competitive p.o.s company that Microsoft imho.

Dave

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RE[2]: Comment by bile
by lemur2 on Tue 27th Jan 2009 03:20 in reply to "RE: Comment by bile"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

Europe would sink quicker than the bloody well Titanic did. Let them use Linux and OpenOffice, boy oh boy are they in for a big surprise on both accounts.


Ambit claim without any support.

There are already a significant number of European government and quasi-government departments that run on Linux and OpenOffice.

Example:

http://software.silicon.com/applications/0,39024653,39155382,00.htm

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RE[2]: Comment by bile
by raver31 on Tue 27th Jan 2009 10:23 in reply to "RE: Comment by bile"
raver31 Member since:
2005-07-06

Dave, you sir are a tool

The EU is the worlds biggest market, and if Microsoft did pull Windows and Office out of it, Microsoft would go down the pan in a matter of days.

At the minute Microsoft are on a share buy-back and have already started laying off staff. Things are going downhill for them, and you want them to cut off their biggest cash cow ?

I am just glad you are not in charge of any business I have dealings with.

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RE[2]: Comment by bile
by gustl on Tue 27th Jan 2009 13:29 in reply to "RE: Comment by bile"
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2006-01-19

I'd like to see Microsoft just pull Windows and Office from Europe. Europe would sink quicker than the bloody well Titanic did. Let them use Linux and OpenOffice, boy oh boy are they in for a big surprise on both accounts.


No, Microsoft would be in for a big surprise.
Remember the guitar-string maker Ernie Ball? He got raided by MS, which upset him so much, that he made the decision to not have anything to do with Microsoft ever again. He told his IT guys, to transform ALL of his systems within half a year.

Well, they did it, it cost them some effort and pain during the transition, but suddenly they had to spend less money on IT than before. The transition payed off during the first year of fully using the new environment.

And Windows, as well as MS Office are not the big lock-in issues any more.
The major lock-ins are Macros and some applications which don't have an equivalent Linux application.
The average Linux-distro is more than a match for Windows, and OOo is good enough for most Office workers.

If a withdrawal of Windows + MSOffice would be FORCED on the EU, we would reform the IT landscape within the first 3 Months by 90%. The rest would get skipped, because it was not needed anyway, or new Software would be written. After one year everything would work just as well (or bad) as it does now.

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RE[2]: Comment by bile
by Soulbender on Tue 27th Jan 2009 13:42 in reply to "RE: Comment by bile"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

I'd like to see Microsoft just pull Windows and Office from Europe. Europe would sink quicker than the bloody well Titanic did


Yes, it's a good thing Microsoft is the only manufacturer of Operating Systems. I'm sure it wouldn't at all be a big opportunity for the competition.
If you don't like the rules, you're free to not sell your product in the market.
Of course, it's all pretty moot because Microsoft won't pull anything, Europe is way to big a market to ignore.

Let them use Linux and OpenOffice, boy oh boy are they in for a big surprise on both accounts.


If everyone in Europe would use them then it wouldn't be a problem now, would it.

Apple is far more of a anti competitive p.o.s company that Microsoft imho.


Yes, they're both pretty much assholes.

I agree with you on software patents also.

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RE[2]: Comment by bile
by lemur2 on Thu 29th Jan 2009 01:51 in reply to "RE: Comment by bile"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

I'd like to see Microsoft just pull Windows and Office from Europe. Europe would sink quicker than the bloody well Titanic did. Let them use Linux and OpenOffice, boy oh boy are they in for a big surprise on both accounts.


Actually, at least one major European political party seems to have reached a conclusion that the use of open-source software could reduce licensing costs and free up the government from being locked into "long-term, monopoly supply situations" (their words). They seem to think it could save them, and hence the taxpayer, a considerable amount of money.

http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2235240/tories-nearing-open-sourc...

Possible savings of £600m a year, claims Conservative Party


Perhaps it is Microsoft apologists of whom one could say: "boy oh boy are they in for a big surprise".

Edited 2009-01-29 01:52 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by bile
by Mellin on Fri 30th Jan 2009 00:08 in reply to "RE: Comment by bile"
Mellin Member since:
2005-07-06

a few days a go i replaced windows with ubuntu linux and it works without problems its even faster than windows

no one cares about msooxml* everyone i know delete docx xlsx pptx ..



*not iso ooxml

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