Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 29th Jan 2009 12:11 UTC
3D News, GL, DirectX Currently, NVIDIA is really missing out on the netbook market, which is dominated by all-Intel platform designs. NVIDIA has finally woken up to this reality, and the outspoken cofounder, president, and CEO of NVIDIA, Jen-Hsun Huang, has launched an all-out campaign to promote his company's Ion platform - and he isn't shy of flinging some poo to Intel and netbooks in general.
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These bigwigs need to GAFC
by deathshadow on Thu 29th Jan 2009 17:36 UTC
deathshadow
Member since:
2005-07-12

Seriously, every time I hear someone or read an article where someone calls the atom 'underpowered' or 'doesn't run software well' I go "What the bloody blue hell planet do you live on?"

Want to make a Mac user cry? Their beloved G5 that was uber-hyped as being more effective per clock? An iBook comes in slower on Geekbench than the 945GCLF Atom board at the same clock speed...

Which means it's a SLEDGEHAMMER against the simple tasks of web browsing, word processing, and even simple spreadsheet work. Yeah, you aren't going to run Crysis at max settings on it, you aren't supposed to.

Netbooks are filling the niche of people who want something small and simple with decent battery life for light duty tasks like browsing and typing up a simple document... and that seems to be the point the suits at Microsoft, Intel, Nvidia and AMD are missing.

Seriously, where the **** does he get that a Atom powered netbook "doesn't work well". I think the sales figures and that you are seeing people using them damned near everywhere shoots some big holes in that.

He also talks about working with windows mobile - got news for him. NOBODY wants a real processor running windows mobile in anything larger than a phone! The same goes for thin clients - look at the success difference between the EEE Box desktops and AMD's abortive little geode based attempts. (which were cool, but ultimately useless). Windows mobile is a technological dead end because it is NOT fully compatable with any other OS excepting a handful of .net based appliactions. At that point you might as well run Linux with XFCE and at least HAVE a software base.

But that's almost always the problem with thin clients anyways - they strip down too far... The netbooks and smaller factor desktops 'get it' as while stripped down, they at least still can run a normal desktop OS.

Edited 2009-01-29 17:44 UTC

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bornagainenguin Member since:
2005-08-07

deathshadow pundited...

He also talks about working with windows mobile - got news for him. NOBODY wants a real processor running windows mobile in anything larger than a phone!


You'd be surprised. Have you seen how much HP Jordanas and NEC Mobile Pros still go for these days?

deathshadow pointed out...
Windows mobile is a technological dead end because it is NOT fully compatable with any other OS excepting a handful of .net based appliactions. At that point you might as well run Linux with XFCE and at least HAVE a software base.


Absolutely agree with this! This is also the reason why these (WinCE) devices don't tend to last long in the hands of someone with more than word processing in mind. Unless the manufacturer goes out of their way to bundle the device with applications most of the time the unfortunate user finds himself limited to the Microsoft 'pocket' apps. You wouldn't believe how swiftly apps come and go in WinCE / WinMo!

This seems to be one of the places Apple has gotten it right so far; it will be interesting to see if it is still possible to use older apps on newer devices or if it will be possible to use newer apps on older devices as their app store continues to grow.

The sad thing for Microsoft is if they hadn't abandoned this market they could have owned it completely earlier on in, but now just as they start to see the benefits of it they are being rendered insignificant in it due to the richer software base available elsewhere.

It has become a self-fulling prophecy, because Microsoft treated WinCE / WinMo like a toy it has been relegated to toylike status.

--bornagainpenguin

Edited 2009-01-29 18:51 UTC

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RE: These bigwigs need to GAFC
by melgross on Thu 29th Jan 2009 21:49 in reply to "These bigwigs need to GAFC"
melgross Member since:
2005-08-12

First of all, the iBook never used a G5. It used the older, much slower, and less efficient mobile G4. Big difference. Apple never had a G5 laptop.

Secondly, cpu's that are years out of date aren't of much interest today. People's expectations go up year by year. What matters is today's competition, not that of four years ago.

When compared to the slowest of "normal" laptop chips, the Atom is pretty weak. But, it doesn't matter, because it's just dandy for what it's intended for.

Give it another year, and it will be better. But, it will always lag well behind chips designed for higher performance and power consumption.

By the time it will do video editing at a speed that people today would accept as being usable, expectations will have moved to the point where people then won't consider it to be usable.

And so it goes.

I'm not criticizing the chip, but some people here are struggling with their announcements about how well it runs some software. I've played with it, and it struggles with most anything other than what it comes with.

But, that's fine, it's not intended for those apps.

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RE: These bigwigs need to GAFC
by Delgarde on Fri 30th Jan 2009 03:33 in reply to "These bigwigs need to GAFC"
Delgarde Member since:
2008-08-19

Netbooks are filling the niche of people who want something small and simple with decent battery life for light duty tasks like browsing and typing up a simple document... and that seems to be the point the suits at Microsoft, Intel, Nvidia and AMD are missing.


Amen to that. I've just been travelling a bit, staying in backpacker hostels - netbooks seem to have *really* caught on among that market, for obvious reasons. They're relatively light, don't take up much room in a pack, and you can check your email, edit your photos, and update your travel blog, all from a comfortable couch in the hostel. Really, why would you *not* buy one if that's your lifestyle?

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