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Windows Windows Vista has never exactly been a favourite subject among company IT people. Migrating from Windows XP to Windows Vista isn't exactly a worry-free process, and machines that run Windows XP comfortably may have trouble powering Windows vista. As such, adoption of Vista has been slow. Two years after Vista's release, the OS is still struggling in the enterprise sector, according to a Forrester report.
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Windows 7 = Vista 2
by cyclops on Mon 2nd Feb 2009 23:19 UTC
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2006-03-12

Whats left to say. I used to post more regularly. Vista is Microsoft Current OS and by every metric has been out for over 2 years. It has been defended by the faithful including Moderators here ruthlessly. Astroturfing is rife. Users have been Vilified for not having current hardware, and that depressing voice of the individual on the all over the net that posts "I use 64-bit Vista Ultimate and never had a problem" but he's the only one. Microsoft get in trouble for their Vista incapable machines. Vista is DRMed to the eyeballs.

...and Microsoft continue to rake in Billions.

The saddest think is all these companies are sticking to XP an 8 year old OS. Microsoft Fanatics are clinking to Windows 7 which I suspect will still be DRMed, has serious activation issues, is anti-capitalist, and overpriced.

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RE: Windows 7 = Vista 2
by kaiwai on Tue 3rd Feb 2009 01:29 in reply to "Windows 7 = Vista 2"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Whats left to say. I used to post more regularly. Vista is Microsoft Current OS and by every metric has been out for over 2 years. It has been defended by the faithful including Moderators here ruthlessly. Astroturfing is rife. Users have been Vilified for not having current hardware, and that depressing voice of the individual on the all over the net that posts "I use 64-bit Vista Ultimate and never had a problem" but he's the only one. Microsoft get in trouble for their Vista incapable machines. Vista is DRMed to the eyeballs.

...and Microsoft continue to rake in Billions.

The saddest think is all these companies are sticking to XP an 8 year old OS. Microsoft Fanatics are clinking to Windows 7 which I suspect will still be DRMed, has serious activation issues, is anti-capitalist, and overpriced.


1) DRM is only an issue if you as a software developer hook your application into using these facilities - if you as a software programmer choose not to use those hooks that enable DRM then you have nothing to worry about.

From the consumer end, start demanding DRM free software - support companies who provide legitimate ways of backing up DVD movies and ripping them so one can use it on a hand held device such as an iPod. Unless you use your voice and demand a change - things will keep going on as usual.

2) Regarding activation - activation has been around prior to Microsoft Windows; anyone remember then node locking software on the old UNIX workstations? remember purchasing SUN Forté developer and having to send in a massive form for a password to unlock the software? You'd think Microsoft would have learnt something from it (namely, that node locking/activating etc is a stupid idea) - but they haven't.

3) The reason why people stick with Windows is either because they require certain pieces of software (and the alternatives are below quality they expect) or because their hardware isn't fully or properly supported. As for those who defend Windows Vista - its confusing, but there are lots of things that humans do which make little or no-sense what so ever.

Edited 2009-02-03 01:32 UTC

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RE: Windows 7 = Vista 2
by viton on Tue 3rd Feb 2009 07:56 in reply to "Windows 7 = Vista 2"
viton Member since:
2005-08-09

Microsoft get in trouble for their Vista incapable machines. Vista is DRMed to the eyeballs.

Incapable machines are the trouble of their owners.
And I don't understand what DRM issues do you have?

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RE[2]: Windows 7 = Vista 2
by r_a_trip on Tue 3rd Feb 2009 13:16 in reply to "RE: Windows 7 = Vista 2"
r_a_trip Member since:
2005-07-06

Incapable machines are the trouble of their owners.

Ahem. Class Action lawsuit over the Vista Capable logo program? MS lowering the requirements for the program so that Intel could flog a few overstocked Vista incapable chipsets? How is that an owner problem?

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RE: Windows 7 = Vista 2
by Sabon on Tue 3rd Feb 2009 16:12 in reply to "Windows 7 = Vista 2"
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2005-07-06

They still rake in billions because pretty much every computer Dell and HP and all the other big computer companies (besides Apple obvious) ship one version of Windows (XP) or another (Vista) which is why Microsoft keeps raking in billions of dollars. Until companies start buying an OS from another company that isn't going to stop.

Note that it doesn't matter which version of Windows people buy as long as it is Windows things won't change.

The organization I work for is skipping vista. We barely support it with VPN on personally owned machines.

One of the big problems is that internal programs made for XP don't run without lots of modification on Vista. And this is an org that brown necks Microsoft. Despite that they don't feel it was worth it to "upgrade" to Vista despite being on the band wagon from the beginning and moving to XP before most orgs and companies did.

Maybe that is the reason they didn't want to move to Vista in the beginning. The pain that moving to XP caused. But even today they are not at all interested in moving to Vista. "Maybe" Windows 7. "We'll have to wait and see" is the most definitive statement that I've heard.

We have moved to Office 2007 and finally are removing Access97 off all computers.

Personally I think if we are going to spend a bunch of money to move to a different OS we should move to Linux or Mac OS X. Neither are perfect but then neither is Windows. But both of them are a lot more secure.

Soon to follow are posts about how Windows is just as secure. What I say to those people is, install all the latest patches for whichever version of Windows you use but NO anti-virus software. Also do this for Linux and Mac OS X and use all three for a month.

What, Windows won't be up for a whole month because of viruses? That's exactly my point. And yes, Linux and Mac OS X will all still be up and running.

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RE: Windows 7 = Vista 2
by BallmerKnowsBest on Tue 3rd Feb 2009 21:09 in reply to "Windows 7 = Vista 2"
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2008-06-02

Astroturfing is rife.


You might want to try learning what a word means before you start to use it. Here's a free hint: it's not a synonym for "fanboi" or "troll" or "anyone who isn't a rabid open source fundamentalist," as you seem to think.

It has been defended by the faithful including Moderators here ruthlessly.


It's also given you, and the rest of the mindless "anything but Microsoft" drones two years worth of stuff to whine and moan about. I'd think you'd be grateful for Vista.

The saddest think is all these companies are sticking to XP an 8 year old OS.


Which goes to show that Linux and OS X STILL can't catch up with Windows, even with an 8 year handicap in their favour. Truly pathetic.

Microsoft Fanatics are clinking to Windows 7 which I suspect will still be DRMed, has serious activation issues, is anti-capitalist, and overpriced.


LOL! Freetards like you take your anti-Microsoft obsession to the point where it could be diagnosed as a psychological disorder.

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RE[2]: Windows 7 = Vista 2
by cyclops on Wed 4th Feb 2009 00:11 in reply to "RE: Windows 7 = Vista 2"
cyclops Member since:
2006-03-12

Putting LOL at the front of something does not make for a compelling argument.

"rabid open source fundamentalist"; "Freetards"
"anything but Microsoft";"anti-Microsoft obsession"
"Linux and OS X STILL can't catch up with Windows"

I picked out all your comments, and thats the problem. Thats why I don't really post. Their is no animated technical discussion; no license discussion; no comparison of development models; not even a discussion on price. The best you can do is try and demonise the individual.

"Linux and OS X STILL can't catch up with Windows"
Make it a mantra. It won't change the facts. OS X has been better for years. Linux needed critical applications/3D Support/Wireless and has those now, but the underlying OS is simply better in every way. Vista 2 may go some way to regress that balance, but Vista had no compelling features and several regressions. I see Smoke and Mirrors performance twinned with limiting the Damage created by Vista, and it still contains all the garbage I hate DRM + Activation + Tilt Bits + Spyware + Microsoft Crapware + Hardware Locked + IE + WMP + Antivirus + Antispyware + All the other irremovable garbage that has better alternatives elseware + Battleling 100 limitations of the OS, and I miss out on Multiple Desktops + 100's of application updating at the touch of a button and at no cost; better alternatives like Banshee and Firefox + Consistent front ends to Hardware from Scanners to Wireless Networking with so much freedom with a few clicks I can copy all my OS+Applications onto a Flash Drive.

And whats the future for Microsoft the second coming Windows 7 a new UI; the much talked about calculator; the cloud[sic] computing; performance regressions limited. With compatibility and Driver Support that having Vista out for two years has brought. Did I miss something in the hype!! Nothing compelling now by the wime the 9.04 and the 9.10 releases come around it will look even less than it is now.

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RE[2]: Windows 7 = Vista 2
by Soulbender on Wed 4th Feb 2009 17:14 in reply to "RE: Windows 7 = Vista 2"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

You're both equally lame and boring.

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