Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 4th Feb 2009 07:05 UTC
Apple Apple has always been about moving forward, about pressing customers to buy the latest and greatest. Product pacing has been high in Cupertino (except for the Mac Mini, obviously), and this is obviously a good thing if you're an Apple bean counter. Most Apple fans more or less accept this planned obsolescence without question, but the company may have just gone a little too far.
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RE: Two points
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 4th Feb 2009 10:43 UTC in reply to "Two points"
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

Guess what? no one listened to me (and people like me) - and now this group of complainers are now swarming websites like this - pissing an moaning after being full warned as to the consequences of their purchasing decision. Please explain to me why the slightest bit of sympathy should be shed for those who went and purchased a massive upgrade knowing that there was a limited life span to it?


Exactly BECAUSE that limited lifespan is ARTIFICIAL. A PowerPC G5 machine was expensive then, and right now, they are still perfectly capable and fine machines, rivalling many cheap computers still sold today - with the dual G5/quad core models still being top-of-the-line performance-wise. In fact, even many G4 machines, especially the dual processor models, are still perfectly capable of powering ANYTHING Apple currently releases, yet Apple ARTIFICIALLY kills them off.

That is simply appalling, and it's one of the main reasons why I decided to buy a normal x86 a few weeks ago, instead of buying a Mac: what guarantee do I have that my investment will not be made obsolete by Apple's software police?

Edited 2009-02-04 10:45 UTC

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RE[2]: Two points
by PlatformAgnostic on Wed 4th Feb 2009 16:15 in reply to "RE: Two points"
PlatformAgnostic Member since:
2006-01-02

Apple's not a huge company. For them x86 is the mainstream platform, so it's probably going to be better-supported from here on out. They're going to have to make the crossover sometime, no? Whenever they do it, there's going to be some moaning.

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RE[2]: Two points
by Sabon on Wed 4th Feb 2009 16:30 in reply to "RE: Two points"
Sabon Member since:
2005-07-06

Right. And let's say you bought a computer with Windows XP on it at the time that you bought your G4. Are you saying that you could have bought Vista Ultimate and ran EVERYTHING that is part of Ultimate and that you could run EVERY game that game out in the last year?

I'm knowledgeably saying no to both. No you wouldn't have been able to run everything in Vista and no you wouldn't have been able to run ALL of the newest games. So you would be limited either way.

You also KNEW that Apple wasn't going to be sticking with PowerPC chips when the G5 came out. The problems with IBM and Motorola updating the G5 chip for iMacs and Mac Pros, let alone laptops, was ALL over the web even before the G5 came out.

Which is why I didn't buy a G5. I also didn't buy an early Intel Mac because I was pretty certain that there would be bugs to work out. I waited until the Core2Duo's came out and only then bought a new iMac.

In the meantime my wife and I used, and still use, our 2000 800mhz G4 iMac lamp and our 800mhz G4 PowerBook, which I'm writing this on, by the way.

I've been wanting a Mac mini for over a year now. At the time it had been just under 180 days since the last time that the Mac Mini had been updated and I figured I'm not going to buy a new one until it has been updated again. I'm still waiting at 530 some days or so for it to be updated. I'm not going to buy one know that if I bought one before it gets updated I would be pretty upset when it did.

I in no way feel screwed that my G4s can't install Mac OS 10.5.

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RE[3]: Two points
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 4th Feb 2009 16:48 in reply to "RE[2]: Two points"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Right. And let's say you bought a computer with Windows XP on it at the time that you bought your G4. Are you saying that you could have bought Vista Ultimate and ran EVERYTHING that is part of Ultimate and that you could run EVERY game that game out in the last year?


Before we start his discussion, let me, your friendly neighbourhood editor, give you the opportunity to forfeit your point about running the latest games. Because, well, Mac and Games? You REALLY want to go there?

But anyway, well, to answer your question: yes. That machine on the left side of my desk is a machine I bought back in early 2003 (could be late 2002, even), and it has no problems running Vista and Windows 7, and the latest Ubuntu also runs without any problems, but with ALL the bells and whistles on both the Windows and Linux sides.

A Mac bought in that same year, or even during the 3 years after that, will not run Apple's latest software. Sure, I gave that x86 I mentioned a RAM and (minor) video card upgrade - but I can do the same on the Mac, and it STILL wouldn't be able to run the latest Apple software.

All because Apple places arbitrary and artificial restrictions, simply because it wants to shove more hardware up your ass.

When I was given the opportunity to buy a new computer a few weeks ago, I thought about getting a Mac. I like Mac OS X, I like the hardware design (I already own a few and have owned a few). Still, I'm not rich enough to join Apple's upgrade treadmill, and because of that, they just lost a customer. I'm simply not rich enough to buy a new computer whenever Apple decides to place yet another arbitrary cut-off point in its software.

So, I bought a generic x86. Not only is it cheaper, it's also a LOT faster than anything Apple has to offer me (only a custom Mac Pro would beat it, at 5 (!) times the price), and I KNOW that I will be able to install Windows 8 and Ubuntu Grizzly Grucktard on it when the time comes. It may not be the best and fastest computer by then, but at least Redmond and Shuttleworth give me a frakking CHOICE.

Edited 2009-02-04 16:49 UTC

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RE[3]: Two points
by Bounty on Wed 4th Feb 2009 16:50 in reply to "RE[2]: Two points"
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2006-09-18

Right. And let's say you bought a computer with Windows XP on it at the time that you bought your G4. Are you saying that you could have bought Vista Ultimate and ran EVERYTHING that is part of Ultimate and that you could run EVERY game that game out in the last year? I'm knowledgeably saying no to both. No you wouldn't have been able to run everything in Vista and no you wouldn't have been able to run ALL of the newest games. So you would be limited either way. You also KNEW that Apple wasn't going to be sticking with PowerPC chips when the G5 came out. The problems with IBM and Motorola updating the G5 chip for iMacs and Mac Pros, let alone laptops, was ALL over the web even before the G5 came out. Which is why I didn't buy a G5. I also didn't buy an early Intel Mac because I was pretty certain that there would be bugs to work out. I waited until the Core2Duo's came out and only then bought a new iMac. In the meantime my wife and I used, and still use, our 2000 800mhz G4 iMac lamp and our 800mhz G4 PowerBook, which I'm writing this on, by the way. I've been wanting a Mac mini for over a year now. At the time it had been just under 180 days since the last time that the Mac Mini had been updated and I figured I'm not going to buy a new one until it has been updated again. I'm still waiting at 530 some days or so for it to be updated. I'm not going to buy one know that if I bought one before it gets updated I would be pretty upset when it did. I in no way feel screwed that my G4s can't install Mac OS 10.5.



I'm gonna go ahead and call this a Troll... You're going to compare what games you can run on a PC purchased in 2006 v.s. a PPC imac purchased at the same time in the same price bracket.... MAUAHAHAMAUAHAMAUIAHAMAMAUAHAHAA

(p.s. This may be a foregin concept for iMac users, but on a PC you can purchase this thing called a video card upgrade for about 100$, and run all of Vista's features and all PC games.)

Edited 2009-02-04 16:52 UTC

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RE[2]: Two points
by adamcw on Wed 4th Feb 2009 21:00 in reply to "RE: Two points"
adamcw Member since:
2009-02-04

Software police? Really? Did they break down your door and remove all the software that is currently working? No. One new product has one feature that won't work on your legacy architecture. An architecture that was publically announced as on the way out...

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