Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 5th Feb 2009 21:20 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems Netbooks have been heralded as the foot in the door for Linux. With the launch of the earliest Eee PC models, Asus made a bold move by only offering them with Linux pre-installed; Microsoft soon responded by working with Asus to bring Windows XP to the next generation Eee PCs. Since then, Windows XP gained market share in the netbook segment rapidly, casting doubts over whether or not netbooks would really turn out to be that foot in the door. HP has today announced that its new HP Mini 1000 netbook will not be available with Linux pre-installed in Europe.
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RE: HP is absolutely right
by raver31 on Fri 6th Feb 2009 01:14 UTC in reply to "HP is absolutely right"
raver31
Member since:
2005-07-06


Why would customer purchase linux netbook where HP cannot guarantee that all peripherals like digicam, scanner, printer, wireless etc will work flawlessly on linux netbook.


If someone is going to release any type of computer, they will make sure all the hardware works or they won't be in business for long.


Whereas customer will happily pay 20-40$ more to have peace of mind about working peripherals.
And fanboys creates ghost of virus etc etc. But XP with freeware, yes it is freeware like firefox, AVG, zonealarm, spywareblaster, openoffice, spybot installed garuanteed to be as safe as linux distro.
You get double benefits with XP netbook, 1) almost all of peripherals will work and 2) with above listed freeware your comp is safe. 3) no headachecs of spending hours to tweak printer and scanner and camera and Wireless card...
get some more family /personal life for cost of $20-40...Good for me Good for you



Also FUD... and 5 year old FUD at that, if you are going to spread shit, at least spread FRESH SHIT.

Linux is more compatible with hardware out of the box than Windows is. If you were to do a fresh install on a computer using Windows and Linux, more things would work with Linux than Windows.

And you are well beat if you have no internet connection to get all the drivers for a Windows machine.

Malware is a ghost invented by fanbois ? wow, you really are deluded.

Do everyone a favour and either try an up to date distro like opensuse 11, mandriva 2009 or fedora 10, if not, then NEVER post outdated FUD, it just makes you look retarded.

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RE[2]: HP is absolutely right
by WorknMan on Fri 6th Feb 2009 02:54 in reply to "RE: HP is absolutely right"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

Linux is more compatible with hardware out of the box than Windows is. If you were to do a fresh install on a computer using Windows and Linux, more things would work with Linux than Windows.


That doesn't really matter, since you can usually go to a vendor's website and download whatever Windows drivers you need. Or if you're really smart, you'd use driveragent.com and have it scan your machine and then let you download whatever you're missing ;)

Anyway, that's not really a relavent discussion for Netbooks, since you'll probably never be gutting them and replacing the inards.

I think what HP and other Netbook vendors should do is give you the option of Windows or no OS at all, and then just make sure all devices work with the latest Linux kernels. The feedback I have read about most of the bundled Linux distros that come with Netbooks have no been so positive, and most people who know how to use Linux will probably just format the hard drive anyway and install their favorite distro.

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Liquidator Member since:
2007-03-04

That doesn't really matter, since you can usually go to a vendor's website and download whatever Windows drivers you need


Yes, on hardware vendors websites you find Windows drivers, but very seldom Linux drivers (except ASUS and nVidia maybe). This is what is important: Having drivers available for your hardware; and hardware vendors hardly ever support Linux. If Linux doesn't support your peripheral out of the box, you're pretty much out of luck. Not to mention the difficulty installing and debugging the installation of a driver on Linux compared to the seemless trouble-free installation of drivers on Windows.

Linux users have to admit it.

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google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

Not to troll or anything, but after installing the windows 7 beta, my wifi worked out of the box. Installing fedora 10, it didn't. Intel 5100 a/g/n. Better then the previous fedora, which choked on formatting my drive at install. And while Intrepid mostly works (with everything important anyways), I spent many, many hours getting WPA2 authentication working in hardy, which was only topped by the amount of time I spent getting VMWare networking to work (absolutely essential for any os I use full time)

Just because you haven't had any problems in five years doesn't mean anyone else hasn't. I tend to keep my hardware up to date, and have repeatedly run into issues in linux because of it. I couldnt even count amount of time I have spent in the last five years troubleshooting linux issues. Sure, it is mostly a hobby thing for me, and I enjoy digging deep into UNIX, so it has been mostly fun. But if you have been fine for the past five years, you have either been extremely lucky, or just not upgraded your hardware.

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RE[3]: HP is absolutely right
by raver31 on Fri 6th Feb 2009 09:11 in reply to "RE[2]: HP is absolutely right"
raver31 Member since:
2005-07-06

I too have had problems, like Atheros drivers for Ubuntu on the Aspire One, RT2500 repeatedly dropping sync on Mandriva for example.

I didn't mean it was all plain sailing. I said in the original post that MORE hardware works out of the box under Linux.

The OP was spreading the old FUD about printers/scanners/and webcams. Those problems are pretty much fixed with most newer kernels supporting v4l devices as standard, and the leaps and bounds CUPS has made.


Another point I was making was about the internet connection. It does not matter if you get the drivers from the manufacturer or from somewhere like driveragent. If you have not got an internet connection, because Windows does not support your networking hardware out of the box, then you are not going to be able to download any drivers in the first place.

I would also like to add to something Worknman said, why should they offer a Windows version and a blank version ? While it is true that the user can format and add whatever they like, what is the point of Joe User buying a blank machine ? That is going to add up to another sale for a Windows license, when the poor smoe was just looking for something for email and web browsing..... exactly why netbooks exist in the first place.

Edited 2009-02-06 09:12 UTC

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RE[2]: HP is absolutely right
by Liquidator on Fri 6th Feb 2009 15:21 in reply to "RE: HP is absolutely right"
Liquidator Member since:
2007-03-04

Linux is more compatible with hardware out of the box than Windows is. If you were to do a fresh install on a computer using Windows and Linux, more things would work with Linux than Windows.


No, no, no...This is plain wrong. This simply doesn't make sense.

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spiderman Member since:
2008-10-23

It does make sense to me.
I was never able to install Windows XP neither on my laptop nor my desktop. The screen just goes blank (monitor or video driver?).
Linux installs on my desktop with all drivers I need out of the box and on my laptop, I just needed to install wifi driver.

Edited 2009-02-06 15:51 UTC

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