Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 6th Feb 2009 10:31 UTC, submitted by rlem6983
Humor Is it Windows 7 or KDE 4? In this video, ZDNet takes to Sydney's streets to find out what people think of what they think is a Windows 7 demonstration. Some funny responses by the passers-by in this little nonsense-investigation.
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RE: proves very little
by Auzy on Fri 6th Feb 2009 12:47 UTC in reply to "proves very little"
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2008-01-20

I'd say that's incorrect.. The point of Project Mojave was to prove that most the people whinging about Vista wouldn't know it if it bit them in the ass. It was to prove that people are just anti-microsoft regardless.

So yes, I guess it proves people are sheep, but doesn't disprove Mojave.

My personal opinion though, ignoring ubuntu (its much harder then neccessary), I tried KDE4 on my carPC, and the settings managers provided (and applications), simply weren't up to scratch.

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the idea of KDE4, I think its UI is magical. But at the end of the day, it simply needs better means of configuring the system, and linux still needs work overall.

Everything is still a bit too adhoc on linux unfortunately. More standardisation is needed (which is happening), and my personal opinion is that the GPL needs to be dumped, because its a massive licence that neither developers nor end users can really understand (they either need a summary, or a lawyer).

Nobody wants to work together, and a lot of people in the community still make the lamest excuses (many still believe that the linux filesystem hierarchy is wonderful, whilst its obviously not user friendly, and developers are starting to ignore it more and more).

But, there is still nearly 1 year before Windows 7 is final, so a lot could happen then

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RE[2]: proves very little
by ba1l on Fri 6th Feb 2009 15:36 in reply to "RE: proves very little"
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2007-09-08

For an end user, the GPL is completely irrelevant - it's a distribution license, not a usage license. Users can do anything they like with GPLed software. It's only developers and distributors who have to worry about it, and for developers it's only an issue if you're writing non-GPLed software. I don't see how this is a barrier to adoption at all.

As for the filesystem, I don't see how this is relevant either. Regular users don't see the filesystem layout itself on any current OS. Everything a user might be interested in resides in their own home directory, and most of them (especially Linux, where UI tools treat the home directory as if it were the filesystem root) try to prevent users from mucking with the filesystem.

I don't see how the Linux filesystem is any worse than the chaotic mess Windows has if you actually look into the Program Files or Windows directories. Windows hides it's crap in a couple of directories a typical user will never see, and Linux hides it's crap in ten or so directories the user will never see.

Mac OS X actually has a Unix-like directory structure too. It's just hidden from Finder, so you can only see it using Terminal. I don't think any Mac OS X users actually care about that either.

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RE[2]: proves very little
by SReilly on Fri 6th Feb 2009 15:38 in reply to "RE: proves very little"
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2006-12-28

...and my personal opinion is that the GPL needs to be dumped, because its a massive licence that neither developers nor end users can really understand (they either need a summary, or a lawyer).

Massive License? Have you ever tried to read closed source licenses? They are mine fields of legalese. You might need a lawyer to read the GPL properly but you need a team of copyright lawyers to read even the open-source MS licenses, not to mention Apple.

Nobody wants to work together, and a lot of people in the community still make the lamest excuses (many still believe that the linux filesystem hierarchy is wonderful, whilst its obviously not user friendly, and developers are starting to ignore it more and more).

Since when does nobody want to work together in the community? By definition, it would not be a community if nobody wanted to work together. The hundreds of thousands of people who have helped to develop the Linux kernel alone testify to how much people want to work together.

Claiming that developers and users don't understand the GPL is absurd. I understand the GPL and I'm neither a developer nor a lawyer.

Clearly you fail to understand the FLOSS philosophy. Claiming that people don't adhere to the FHS is to show you don't understand the FHS. People wanting to implement another standard is the whole idea behind opens source software and is in no way an indication that most people don't want to use it.

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RE[2]: proves very little
by leos on Fri 6th Feb 2009 15:42 in reply to "RE: proves very little"
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2005-09-21

I'd say that's incorrect.. The point of Project Mojave was to prove that most the people whinging about Vista wouldn't know it if it bit them in the ass. It was to prove that people are just anti-microsoft regardless.


Except that half of those people in the video were currently using vista. There goes your theory.

The rest of your post is a random off-topic rant.

Everyone remember, this video is supposed to be humorous. They say themselves it doesn't mean anything.

Edited 2009-02-06 15:44 UTC

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RE[2]: proves very little
by roverrobot on Fri 6th Feb 2009 20:11 in reply to "RE: proves very little"
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2006-07-23


My personal opinion though, ignoring ubuntu (its much harder then neccessary), I tried KDE4 on my carPC, and the settings managers provided (and applications), simply weren't up to scratch. But at the end of the day, it simply needs better means of configuring the system, and linux still needs work overall.

What? KDE does not configure your system. It provides a way for you to configure the user interface. Each distro has their own tools. I find most of them are fairly easy to understand, for example, opensuse's YaST.


Everything is still a bit too adhoc on linux unfortunately. More standardisation is needed (which is happening), and my personal opinion is that the GPL needs to be dumped, because its a massive licence that neither developers nor end users can really understand (they either need a summary, or a lawyer).

Hmm? So something that makes you hard to steal other's code for profit is hard to understand? Right!


Nobody wants to work together, and a lot of people in the community still make the lamest excuses (many still believe that the linux filesystem hierarchy is wonderful, whilst its obviously not user friendly, and developers are starting to ignore it more and more).

This is even more ridiculous. KDE and most other open source software relies on working togeter. Which of the larger project that you have heard of are one-person projects?

Oh, and the UNIX file hierarchy. That really is personal taste. For me, from a developer point of view, you have better defined standard locations for files in UNIX than windows, like usr for you system resources, /usr/local or /opt, depending on your taste, is for locally installed software, /etc contains your system configuration files, and anything that is your personal stuff sits in /home/username, with configurations hidden in .applicationname etc. I think this is better because you can easily reuse resources system wide, while in windows, each package has their local resources that it is hard to share. From a user point of view, I think /home/username is definitely easier to under stand than C:\Documents and Settings\UserName and D:, and E:, Z:, and H: ....?

[EDIT: typos and typos ...]

Edited 2009-02-06 20:14 UTC

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