Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 9th Feb 2009 20:55 UTC, submitted by poundsmack
Legal The legal case between Apple and Psystar has just taken another, very small turn. Psystar gained a small victory over Apple today, because U.S. District Court Judge William Alsup allowed Psystar to modify its counter-suit against Apple, after he had dismissed the original counter-suit. However, something more interesting came out of this ruling: the judge hinted at what would happen if Psystar were to win.
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RE: welcome the clones!
by fmaxwell on Mon 9th Feb 2009 21:43 UTC in reply to "welcome the clones!"
fmaxwell
Member since:
2005-11-13

The concern that Apple fans have is that companies like Psystar will produce marginally compatible systems or produce systems which are less well-engineered and tested than Apple's products.

Apple has managed to maintain a much higher reliability than Microsoft by being able to fully test all shipped hardware configurations with each major software release. They don't have to worry about whether it will work on some random Gigabyte motherboard. They don't have to be concerned that some user will change some BIOS setting (they can't on an Apple) rendering the system non-bootable.

I like being able to buy OS X for $120. I don't want to have to pay $200 because Apple has been fielding calls from Psystar owners with semi-compatible, or unreliable, hardware.

Nor do I believe that the average consumer is intelligent enough to recognize or buy quality. As we have seen in the Windows market, what sells is price, not quality, reliability, compatibility, etc. When that happens, reliability and longevity suffer.

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RE[2]: welcome the clones!
by segedunum on Mon 9th Feb 2009 23:13 in reply to "RE: welcome the clones!"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

The concern that Apple fans have is that companies like Psystar will produce marginally compatible systems or produce systems which are less well-engineered and tested than Apple's products.

I have news for you. Apple's computers are cheap, standard Intel machines with bog standard PC parts of questionable quality (you always get the lowest spec Western Digital hard drive Apple can provide) in order for Apple to sell the machines at a premium and make a nice profit - for nothing very much.

Those margins on the hardware can only be kept in place if gullible people like you keep thinking that Apple machines are of a higher quality than a standard PC, so shhhhhhhhhhh.

Nor do I believe that the average consumer is intelligent enough to recognize or buy quality.

You're right. They're not. ;-)

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RE[3]: welcome the clones!
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 9th Feb 2009 23:19 in reply to "RE[2]: welcome the clones!"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

You're right. They're not. ;-)


I may find you an annoying twat every now and then, segedunum, but paint me red and call me a front bezel because that was one hell of a memorable comment ;) .

Head. Hit. Nail.

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RE[3]: welcome the clones!
by dagw on Tue 10th Feb 2009 11:32 in reply to "RE[2]: welcome the clones!"
dagw Member since:
2005-07-06

I have news for you. Apple's computers are cheap, standard Intel machines with bog standard PC parts of questionable quality (you always get the lowest spec Western Digital hard drive Apple can provide)

While all that may be true, the fact still remains that it is a small known set of hardware they're dealing with. This means that they can basically test the latest OS X on every single machine that the latest OS X is capable of running on. This is hugely beneficial irregardless of actual hardware quality.

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RE[3]: welcome the clones!
by cutterjohn on Fri 13th Feb 2009 11:24 in reply to "RE[2]: welcome the clones!"
cutterjohn Member since:
2006-01-28

Yep, that was my problem with Apple once they moved to x86, although to be somewhat fair they DO have to perform some extra work since they use EFI.

OTOH the cheap macbook is really about a $600 machine selling at twice that, and lets not even talk about the incredibly overpriced pro model which is generic PC terms would get you a Clevo D901C(or ASUS W90) w/better CPU and GPU with a chasiss capable of supporting multiple hdds and SLI GPUs.

The cheap macbook price gets you about a P8600 + ATI 4850 512MB GDDR3(MSI GT725) or nVidia 9800M GS 1GB GDDR3 (MSI GT627/ASUS G50VT/etc.) + 4GB DDR2-800 + full keyboard + 1680x1050 LCD panel + 320GB 7200RPM hdd + etc.

I really gave up when I got tired of all the lies about games coming to the Mac, paying full original price for games that were on Windows 2y or more ago and are now found commonloy in the bargain bin for $5. So in the end, I was maintaining extra Windows machines PLUS all of my macs, and just decided that the high cost of the Apple products wasn't justified by OSX.

Today I'm quite happy to be back spending MUCH less $$$ on hw and running linux + some version of Windows mostly for games.

The only possible plus for the Apple product is the Al frame, although a good chunk of the MSI nbs are Al while the others are all some sort of plastic AFAIK. (D901C and W90 are out of my budgeting for nbs...)

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RE[2]: welcome the clones!
by Lu-Tze on Tue 10th Feb 2009 01:39 in reply to "RE: welcome the clones!"
Lu-Tze Member since:
2006-01-10

If Apple were to support calls from Psystar customers, I am guessing Apple will charge for them for the service. Why would it increase your price for OS X? Wouldn't that be an even better way for Apple to show that buying hardware from them is better - even economical - because you won't need to pay for the support since everything will just work...

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RE[3]: welcome the clones!
by Mellin on Wed 11th Feb 2009 15:05 in reply to "RE[2]: welcome the clones!"
Mellin Member since:
2005-07-06

500usd per minute and that problem is fixed

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RE[2]: welcome the clones!
by google_ninja on Tue 10th Feb 2009 02:08 in reply to "RE: welcome the clones!"
google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

Noone is saying they have to support them.

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RE[3]: welcome the clones!
by godDLL on Tue 10th Feb 2009 14:10 in reply to "RE[2]: welcome the clones!"
godDLL Member since:
2008-12-11

I make OS.
You buy it. Resell it. Make profit.
Left me out of the loop. Will not support your customers.
Now what? Should I make more OS? Will happen again.
Not fare.

Will put effort into differentiating platform by providing services like on-line storage with dedicated hardware of some sort, so only my customers can enjoy it.
Will fail to impress. Become irritated.
Sign up with Sony, for using the Cell in desktop machines.

You left with customer base with no further updates. Bye.

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RE[2]: welcome the clones!
by rockwell on Thu 12th Feb 2009 17:08 in reply to "RE: welcome the clones!"
rockwell Member since:
2005-09-13

//Apple has managed to maintain a much higher reliability than Microsoft by being able to fully test all shipped hardware configurations with each major software release//

Microsoft is in the hardware business? Since when?

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