Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 9th Feb 2009 20:55 UTC, submitted by poundsmack
Legal The legal case between Apple and Psystar has just taken another, very small turn. Psystar gained a small victory over Apple today, because U.S. District Court Judge William Alsup allowed Psystar to modify its counter-suit against Apple, after he had dismissed the original counter-suit. However, something more interesting came out of this ruling: the judge hinted at what would happen if Psystar were to win.
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Really Superior Hardware???
by ritesh_nair on Tue 10th Feb 2009 05:31 UTC
ritesh_nair
Member since:
2007-03-22

The standard 8-core Mac Pro, with a suggested retail price of $2,799 (US),
includes:
— two 2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon processors with dual-independent 1600
MHz front side buses;
— 2GB of 800 MHz DDR2 ECC fully-buffered DIMM memory, expandable up to
32GB;
— ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT with 256MB of GDDR3 memory;
— 320GB Serial ATA 3Gb/s hard drive running at 7200 rpm;
— 16x SuperDrive(TM) with double-layer support
(DVD+/-R DL/DVD+/-RW/CD-RW);
— two PCI Express 2.0 slots and two PCI Express slots;
— Bluetooth 2.0+EDR; and
— ships with Apple Keyboard and Mighty Mouse.


I think We can build things like that at half the price with really good stuff like asus/Corsair/ and even throw in 9600 gso or a 9800 gt

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RE: Really Superior Hardware???
by danieldk on Tue 10th Feb 2009 07:52 in reply to "Really Superior Hardware???"
danieldk Member since:
2005-11-18

Yes. A short time ago I bought a new HP machine for just over 500 Euro. It comes with a Quad Core Intel CPU, 4GB RAM, 500 GB SATA 3G disk, and an ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3450 GPU. Then I looked up the model with equivalent hardware from Apple, and it is *four times as expensive*.

Now Apple fans would say *premium hardware*. In fact, the last years I have bought two HP business laptops, one HP workstation, and one HP desktop. And none of them over broke down, nor did I have any problems with them. And even if they had half the lifetime of a Mac (I am convinced this is not true), I can still buy three new ones for the price of one Mac Pro.

Basically you pay big time for the brand, and the operating system (which is pretty good, but not perfect).

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h3rman Member since:
2006-08-09

I wonder what the Apple fans think the problem is. Everybody knows Apple is usually more expensive than boxes comparable hardware, and that you pay for the design, the brand, etc.

It makes total economic sense, whether you like them or not, and if they did not add a significant margin they might sell more but perhaps make the same amount of money.
Enough people like to pay the premium, just as many people like to pay ridiculous amounts of money for certain brands of shoes or jeans (ridiculous compared to their productions costs, which is often quite low ).

I think there's a cultural side to this. In the societies many people here seem to be from, it's okay to consume a lot, quantatively, but apparently if you buy something more fancy and a bit more expensive you have to justify. Is that Anglo/American/Dutch calvinism or something? ;-)

What I mean; if you pay an Apple, you have people saying "why you pay a premium on what's basically generic PC hardware" - yet if you own lots of PC's or laptops that you, if you're frank, don't really use that intensively -- there's virtualisation these days, folks ;-) -- you rarely ever hear people ask, "what on earth are you doing with so many computers"?

Anyway, with the demise of the dollar and the subsequent rise of the yuan, sooner or later PC hardware will become quite a bit more expensive (after adjustment of supplies and overproduction itself), so PC/laptop overconsumption in the West will end.

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dagw Member since:
2005-07-06

Basically you pay big time for the brand, and the operating system

And the aesthetics. I personally think that Apple make some of the prettiest computers around. For a lot of people the price of the iMac, for example, is worth it simply because of the way it looks.

Many people think that "does it look good in my living room" is far more important than "how many flops do I get pr $". Most geeks have a very hard time understanding this.

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tyrione Member since:
2005-11-21

Yes. A short time ago I bought a new HP machine for just over 500 Euro. It comes with a Quad Core Intel CPU, 4GB RAM, 500 GB SATA 3G disk, and an ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3450 GPU. Then I looked up the model with equivalent hardware from Apple, and it is *four times as expensive*.

Now Apple fans would say *premium hardware*. In fact, the last years I have bought two HP business laptops, one HP workstation, and one HP desktop. And none of them over broke down, nor did I have any problems with them. And even if they had half the lifetime of a Mac (I am convinced this is not true), I can still buy three new ones for the price of one Mac Pro.

Basically you pay big time for the brand, and the operating system (which is pretty good, but not perfect).


When Apple releases a mid-tower headless box that is within their design constraints you can stop bitching about the price by comparing it against the Mac Pro and proclaiming Apple is a ripoff.

Of course, you'll just bitch about the slight price difference in this range and demand Apple isn't doing enough, but if they just did x, y or z then you'd buy one.

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