Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 10th Feb 2009 17:13 UTC
X11, Window Managers Ever since its inception, there have been problems with Compiz; people unsatisfied with the direction of the project forked it, then they merged again. Recently, the project, now known as Compiz Fusion, faced other problems, such as multiple branches and a lack of direction. A major reorganisation of the project is supposed to fix all this.
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KWin
by AbuHassan on Tue 10th Feb 2009 18:13 UTC
AbuHassan
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2008-08-26

KWin in KDE4.2 is far superior to Compiz in most ways IMNSHO.

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RE: KWin
by charlieb on Tue 10th Feb 2009 18:35 in reply to "KWin"
charlieb Member since:
2008-12-16

KWin in KDE4.2 is far superior to Compiz in most ways IMNSHO.


All except in name.

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RE: KWin
by big_gie on Tue 10th Feb 2009 18:38 in reply to "KWin"
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2006-01-04

Kwin is nice, but needs KDE... On an EeePC, compiz allows me to reduce the dependency...
But I agree I'd prefer to use kwin!

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RE[2]: KWin
by Zelv on Wed 11th Feb 2009 09:03 in reply to "RE: KWin"
Zelv Member since:
2005-12-17

Kwin is nice, but needs KDE... On an EeePC, compiz allows me to reduce the dependency...
But I agree I'd prefer to use kwin!


KWin does not need the KDE desktop, it needs only the KDE libraries. You can use it also in GNOME, Xfce or even standalone if you would want to ( http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3848 ).

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RE: KWin
by Calipso on Tue 10th Feb 2009 18:43 in reply to "KWin"
Calipso Member since:
2007-03-13

would be nice if compiz and kwin merged somehow and stopped reinventing eachothers wheels. Not sure if that would even be possible since kwin is most likely heavily dependent on kde.

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RE[2]: KWin
by poundsmack on Tue 10th Feb 2009 18:45 in reply to "RE: KWin"
poundsmack Member since:
2005-07-13

merge? no that would be bad. what would be usefull is code sharing and idea sharing between the 2 projects. But I am in the Kwin boat too, good stuff.

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RE[2]: KWin
by leos on Tue 10th Feb 2009 19:25 in reply to "RE: KWin"
leos Member since:
2005-09-21

would be nice if compiz and kwin merged somehow and stopped reinventing eachothers wheels. Not sure if that would even be possible since kwin is most likely heavily dependent on kde.


Definitely not possible. The architecture is completely different and there really isn't any possibility to do significant code sharing. However luckily most of the effects are quite simple, so there isn't much to share except ideas (which has been happening).

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RE: KWin
by Maners on Tue 10th Feb 2009 19:43 in reply to "KWin"
Maners Member since:
2005-07-26

KWin in KDE4.2 is far superior to Compiz in most ways IMNSHO.


Except that it's dog slow compared to Compiz (at least on my PC: Athlon 64 3500+, GF 6800GT, Fedora 10). It's actually true for the whole KDE 4.2 - starts up almost twice as long as GNOME (from GDM screen to actual desktop) and window animations are jerky. None of this happens with GNOME + Compiz.

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RE[2]: KWin
by leos on Tue 10th Feb 2009 19:50 in reply to "RE: KWin"
leos Member since:
2005-09-21

Except that it's dog slow compared to Compiz (at least on my PC: Athlon 64 3500+, GF 6800GT, Fedora 10).


Which Nvidia driver? I had the same problem with all drivers < 180.22. Nvidia has stated themselves that their previous drivers had issues with KDE4.
It's smooth for me (some 7600 geforce or so) but I don't know what compiz is like.

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RE[2]: KWin
by AbuHassan on Tue 10th Feb 2009 20:28 in reply to "RE: KWin"
AbuHassan Member since:
2008-08-26

It works beautifully using the 180.22 nVidia drivers on F10 64bit.

If you have a Geforce, try updating the driver.

Edited 2009-02-10 20:29 UTC

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RE[2]: KWin
by FishB8 on Wed 11th Feb 2009 00:55 in reply to "RE: KWin"
FishB8 Member since:
2006-01-16

Even with Nvidia issues worked out, KDE4 is still slow. Plasma and Kwin are good designs with a lot of planning, but they still need a lot of work to knock out bugs and work out the bottle necks.

Kwin and compiz do share code. They're called X extensions like composite, dri2, etc. Beyond that, they are two very different projects with little in common.

What they CAN do is collaborate better with Freedesktop (and Gnome) on standardizing how desktop elements are handled. Specifically, wallpaper (wallpaper in plasma sits above what all non-KDE apps consider wallpaper), "Desktop Activities" and "Widget Layers"

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RE: KWin
by Laurence on Tue 10th Feb 2009 21:30 in reply to "KWin"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

KWin in KDE4.2 is far superior to Compiz in most ways IMNSHO.


Really?

I've only tried KWin 4.1 (and only on two machines) but I found it significantly slower, not as pretty and a massively reduced number and range of effects.

Compiz Fusion massively trumps KWin 4.1 so unless KWin4.2's rendering has progressed significantly in only a few months then I really struggle to see how you draw that conclusion.

That said, KDE4.x + Compiz Fusion is a killer combo.

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RE[2]: KWin
by superstoned on Wed 11th Feb 2009 10:18 in reply to "RE: KWin"
superstoned Member since:
2005-07-07

KWin in 4.2 is much faster and looks much better than the one in KDE 4.1 - KDE development goes very fast ;-)

Check the visual guide if you wanna know more.
http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.2/guide.php

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v RE: KWin
by Hiev on Tue 10th Feb 2009 22:17 in reply to "KWin"
RE[2]: KWin
by ichi on Tue 10th Feb 2009 23:38 in reply to "RE: KWin"
ichi Member since:
2007-03-06

Im glad I stopped using Linux, I don't want to be related with those kind of trolls.


So have you found the trolls of your OS of choice to be any better?

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RE[2]: KWin
by cyclops on Tue 10th Feb 2009 23:47 in reply to "RE: KWin"
cyclops Member since:
2006-03-12

Linux community is so ungraceful.

First. KWin is no superior than compiz, and second, KWin is a derivative of compiz with the goal of be more integrated with KDE. Is sad to see all the trolls in the "community" trashing other projects and not working together.

Im glad I stopped using Linux, I don't want to be related with those kind of trolls.


Yet you in a Linux Desktop talking about Linux trolls

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