Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 16th Feb 2009 14:07 UTC
Editorial Late last week we ran a story on how the Google Chrome team had decided to use Gtk+ as the graphical toolkit for the Linux version of the Chrome web browser. It was a story that caused some serious debate on a variety of aspects, but in this short editorial, I want to focus on one aspect that came forward: the longing for consistency. Several people in the thread stated they were happy with Google's choice for purely selfish reasons: they use only Gtk+ applications on their GNOME desktops. Several people chimed in to say that Qt integrates nicely in a Gtk+ environment. While that may be true from a graphical point of view, that really isn't my problem with mixing toolkits. The issue goes a lot deeper than that.
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RE: Comment by Darkmage
by dagw on Mon 16th Feb 2009 14:43 UTC in reply to "Comment by Darkmage"
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If you want desktop consistency get Etoil'e/gnustep

Of course you'll very quickly run into a situation where you need to do something which cannot be done with any of the available gnustep apps. Then you're left with the choice of writing your own gnustep app, not doing what you where trying to do or accepting a foreign app on your desktop. The first two options won't appleal to most people, and with the third you've all of a sudden lost your consistency.

So as much as I like what Etoile is doing it's hardly a viable solution to the consistency problem.

All the apps have that horizontal menubar, and they're all designed to look/work like mac apps

The apps on my etoile don't look or work much like mac apps, they look like NeXTStep apps. Is there some sort of mac skin or something available?

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RE[2]: Comment by Darkmage
by Darkmage on Mon 16th Feb 2009 15:11 in reply to "RE: Comment by Darkmage"
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yeah there's a horizontal menubar addon called EtoileWildMenus.
defaults write NSGlobalDomain

to install it. There's more information in their documentation. I'm building from svn at the moment but the bundles have been around for a while.
AFAIK there's no actual mac theme that makes it look exactly like osx but I bet a decent theme artist could whip one up.

I will go as far as saying that etoile is expected to run with those modifications applied. Because they have released an application called EtoileMenuServer which basically recreates the entire mac bar. if you think of each app as making the DictionaryReader Edit Windows Services etc
menus. This program creates a bar that those menu entries are overlaid on top of, and that bar creates the "apple icon" menu (A star in etoile's case). A screenshot is here:
There is also an api for little menubar applets. There's volume control, and calendar as well as battery meter and services so far. Personally I'm waiting on msn/icq and a webbrowser then I plan to make etoile my primary Desktop. I only really use the pc for msn/icq/irc/browser/music/videos. Normally I use mplayer or XBMC for video so I don't need a player. Etoile has irc/e-mail/music so it won't be long now. If I knew more about writing the backend of objective-c apps I'd develop my missing tools.

Edited 2009-02-16 15:23 UTC

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RE[3]: Comment by Darkmage
by AlexandreAM on Mon 16th Feb 2009 18:01 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Darkmage"
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And again the same old thing. I would really enjoy using GNUStep, with or without √Čtoil√©, and I would surely take the time to dig into Objective-C to create the apps I need for it, if there was a Web Browser with it. There should be a massive campaign for the full port of WebKit (if I recall correctly, there's an offering of help from the ones involved in WebKit to port it to GnuStep).

Unfortunately I am aware that I'm not skilled enough to do that, since I have no idea what goes behind a Web renderer engine and knows little about Obj-C.

But as soon as a Web browser were available, I'd jump on it and start working on small apps that could be useful, because it really fits the way I believe computers should be dealt with.

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