Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 15th Feb 2009 14:24 UTC
Debian and its clones A few months later than expected, Debian 5 has finally arrived with a bundle of new goodies: Java is finally in the Debian repositories thanks to IcedTea and OpenJDK; Firefox (rebranded as Iceweasel) is now at 3.0; and official live images are ready for our downloading pleasure. TuxRadar has a detailed look at Lenny along with an explanation from Steve McIntyre, the Debian Project Leader, on why it was delayed. Earlier this week, we already detailed the new features in Lenny.
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sbergman27
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2005-07-24

However my experience of comparing Debian to other distros over the years (and mind you, Debian is not the only one I like), is that a Debian release is indeed bug-free for any practical purpose.

It really does depend upon one's definition of "bug". Say you are running Debian, you go to YouTube, or whatever, and a Flash video won't play because your version of Gnash is not new enough. Or you try to open an ODF document and it doesn't work because your version of Abiword or Gnumeric is too old. Are those bugs? Many would argue that the software was not intended to play that Video, or open those ODF files, so they are not bugs, but simply a lack of particular features. My users would call them a bugs. And I would be hard-pressed to dispute them.

Note that I am not criticizing ODF, here. It's not that ODF is a moving target, but that ODF support in Abiword and Gnunmeric are incomplete "works in progress" at this time. And we all know what a "work in progress" Gnash is.

Edited 2009-02-17 08:03 UTC

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Anonymous Penguin Member since:
2005-07-06

A couple of examples of what can be done:

1)Replace Gnash with Flash. Debian is not the only distro which comes by default with free software only.
2)Dowload and install the latest OpenOffice.

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

A couple of examples of what can be done:

Workarounds for those particular examples, yes. But it doesn't really address the general issue. What if the shortcoming is in the version of Gnome or KDE?

My viewpoint is somewhat colored by the fact that I have about 75 desktop users who have the annoying habit of expecting things to work. In my work, I have used both CentOS, which is a lot like Debian in its "creakiness with stability", and the perpetually broken Fedora, which always has its own problems right out of the box. I'm beginning to think that Ubuntu is the solution. Predictable LTS releases every two years, with the option to upgrade every six months should the need arise, with support for that non-LTS release being good through the next LTS. And there is no denying that it inherits a healthy dose of Debian goodness; It combines some of the best things of all worlds, while somewhat minimizing the down sides of each. It's what I've been using on my own desktop for some time now, and I'm a big believer in eating my own dog food. The problem is that switching distros is a challenging proposition when you have 75 users and just only you to handle it. I can do it, of course. But Fedora has not been so annoying as to get me to do it yet. But I'm considering it for the XDMCP server upgrades planned for this Spring.

Edited 2009-02-17 08:56 UTC

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