Resorting to FUD Hurts the Alternatives to Microsoft
Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 18th Feb 2009 23:28 UTC
Editorial Does Windows 7 contain more DRM than Windows Vista? Does Windows 7 limit you from running cracked applications, and will it open the firewall specifically for applications that want to check if they're cracked or not? Does it limit the audio recording capabilities? According to a skimp and badly written post on Slashdot, it does. The Slashdot crowd tore the front page item apart - and rightfully so.
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lemur2
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2007-02-17

Vista had poor performance because there were alot of changes and insufficient time to optimise these changes; they aren't going to optimise it in the service packs because of the risk associated with breaking things not only in Windows but also out in the 'real world'.


Ran out of time? How long exactly was it between the release of XP and the release of Vista?

Windows 7 has been optimised and improved,


Well, yes, that is the claim, and there is no reason to suspect why it wouldn't be so. In fact, given Vista's poor performance, it is hard to see how Windows 7 could fail to be a significant improvement.


and amazing, the so-called 'performance sucking' DRM still lives and Windows 7 still out performs Windows Vista.


Yes. This is in fact what "optimization" is all about.

If there were some truth in the 'performance sucking' of DRM then the performance different should be negiable.


Doesn't follow. Obviously you are not wholly familiar with optimistaion. A fair approach is to ignore almost everything else and concentrate very hard on the "inner loop", the most-often repeated pieces of code. DRM polling is a fair candidate ...

I've got my Acer Aspire One (they ran out of eee pc 901's when I went down to pick one up) and am looking forward to seeing Windows 7 being released. If it means that one can run the latest version of Windows in a constrained environment, I can't work out what the complaints are about. Then again, I guess its 'cool' to hate Microsoft.


Criticising Vista's poor performance is relevant to this rant ... how exactly?

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kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Ran out of time? How long exactly was it between the release of XP and the release of Vista?


Abusing me by way of message achieves what?

Windows Vista was restarted and based on Windows 2003 SP1 rather than Windows XP. There was a penalty that was paid because of it, but management at that time believed the penalty was worth it.

Considering that when the change was made - Netbooks and other resource constrained devices weren't on the radar, they were making decisions based on what one could reasonably expect in the future based on present conditions.

Well, yes, that is the claim, and there is no reason to suspect why it wouldn't be so. In fact, given Vista's poor performance, it is hard to see how Windows 7 could fail to be a significant improvement.


If it were DRM as the primary cause of performance issues, and given that the DRM has been retained, then going by the detractors logic, there should have been no significant improvement.

Criticising Vista's poor performance is relevant to this rant ... how exactly?


Thank you for ignoring the kernel of this post; it was a counter to DRM phobia and the black helicopter nonsense regarding it and the apparent 'performance sucking' of DRM by virtue of it just existing in Windows.

The two are interlinked, but hey, you chose to ignore it in favour of attacking me personally.

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lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

"Ran out of time? How long exactly was it between the release of XP and the release of Vista?
Abusing me by way of message achieves what? Windows Vista was restarted and based on Windows 2003 SP1 rather than Windows XP. There was a penalty that was paid because of it, but management at that time believed the penalty was worth it. Considering that when the change was made - Netbooks and other resource constrained devices weren't on the radar, they were making decisions based on what one could reasonably expect in the future based on present conditions.
Well, yes, that is the claim, and there is no reason to suspect why it wouldn't be so. In fact, given Vista's poor performance, it is hard to see how Windows 7 could fail to be a significant improvement.
If it were DRM as the primary cause of performance issues, and given that the DRM has been retained, then going by the detractors logic, there should have been no significant improvement.
Criticising Vista's poor performance is relevant to this rant ... how exactly?
Thank you for ignoring the kernel of this post; it was a counter to DRM phobia and the black helicopter nonsense regarding it and the apparent 'performance sucking' of DRM by virtue of it just existing in Windows. The two are interlinked, but hey, you chose to ignore it in favour of attacking me personally. "

How precious can you get?

Where did I attack you? I simply point out that Microsoft took a great amount of time following the release of XP to try to come up with a new product. The fact that Microsoft squandered it is hardly compensation for those people now suffering the poor performance of Vista.

DRM itself is "black helicopter". No-one is allowed to know how it works. There is something in Vista that sucks performance, and DRM polling is an excellent candidate, given that it is invoked at 30ms intervals.

Being a good candidate for what caused the "performance sucking" in Vista also makes it an excellent candidate for optimisation in Windows 7. With skill and a bit of thought it might even be possible to "pull back" all of the sucked performance ... yet still have the DRM.

Agreed that up until the advent netbooks there was no real incentive to heavily optimise Vista (that is just one of the problems of having a company in a monopoly position). In fact I noted that myself in an earlier post, when I talked about the "performance spiral". This rather supports the idea that Vista is performance sucked, rather than detract from it.

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