Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 18th Feb 2009 23:28 UTC
Editorial Does Windows 7 contain more DRM than Windows Vista? Does Windows 7 limit you from running cracked applications, and will it open the firewall specifically for applications that want to check if they're cracked or not? Does it limit the audio recording capabilities? According to a skimp and badly written post on Slashdot, it does. The Slashdot crowd tore the front page item apart - and rightfully so.
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lemur2
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2007-02-17

"... as it turns out, there is a dialog box that you have to uncheck an option if you don't want DRM on your WMA files after you rip them.


In this case, you are speaking about a specific application, Windows Media Player.

There are dozens of different apps out there (yes, even free ones) that allow you to rip DRM-less audio files, in pretty much whatever format you choose. There's nothing inherent in Vista that prevents you from doing this.
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This is essentially true ... except for the fact that Media Player is a part of the Windows OS. It is, as far as many people are concerned, THE way that one plays and rips media files on Windows.

However, I posted the text was quoted in this thread in response to an earlier post in the earlier thread where someone had asked "how does Vista DRM affect end users"?

Even though I don't use Vista, I knew through indirect experience of two occasions where end users had been frustrated by Vista handling off media files, and that at least one of those was directly due to the DRM. The fact that there are many ways that knowledgeable end users can get around the DRM in these cases does not in any way invalidate the point that it had frustrated those users ...

I would also bring up the point ... why on earth would an end user ever WANT to apply DRM to a media file they had ripped?

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Even though I don't use Vista, I knew through indirect experience of two occasions where end users had been frustrated by Vista handling off media files, and that at least one of those was directly due to the DRM. The fact that there are many ways that knowledgeable end users can get around the DRM in these cases does not in any way invalidate the point that it had frustrated those users ...


Again, please stop lying.

Back when we had that discussion, you only had ONE example, and it was about mp3s. As was proven then, WMP CANNOT add DRM to mp3 files it creates. It can only add - optionally, I might add - DRM to WMA files.

These people were not affected by DRM, they were affected by... Well, we don't know. You never dove into the case to find out what was actually happening. You just came up with an anecdote of someone who ripped a CD using WMP and then couldn't play his files in his car stereo, which could have had any number of reasons - but as we established then, DRM was not one of them. Still, you continue to spread your proven-to-be false assumptions.

You are a liar, lemur2, and you get exposed every time, all the time. In case you haven't noticed, you are becoming the laughing stock around here.

Which isn't fair, because that should be me, damnit!

Edited 2009-02-19 11:14 UTC

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lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

"Even though I don't use Vista, I knew through indirect experience of two occasions where end users had been frustrated by Vista handling off media files, and that at least one of those was directly due to the DRM. The fact that there are many ways that knowledgeable end users can get around the DRM in these cases does not in any way invalidate the point that it had frustrated those users ...


Again, please stop lying.

Back when we had that discussion, you only had ONE example, and it was about mp3s. As was proven then, WMP CANNOT add DRM to mp3 files it creates. It can only add - optionally, I might add - DRM to WMA files.

These people were not affected by DRM, they were affected by... Well, we don't know. You never dove into the case to find out what was actually happening. You just came up with an anecdote of someone who ripped a CD using WMP and then couldn't play his files in his car stereo, which could have had any number of reasons - but as we established then, DRM was not one of them. Still, you continue to spread your proven-to-be false assumptions.

You are a liar, lemur2, and you get exposed every time, all the time. In case you haven't noticed, you are becoming the laughing stock around here.

Which isn't fair, because that should be me, damnit!
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Come off it Thom, you must believe that your readers are idiots or something.

Everything I said about those two cases was 100% true. And there were two separate cases. Abssolute dinkum. Struth.

The most likely causes in each case were these:

(Case 1) Someone sent me a .wma file that had DRM on it (initially, I hadn't recalled that that one was a .wma file). This probably arose because that user did not know about the need to uncheck a setting in Windows Media Player for ripping in DRM-free .wma format.

(Case 2) someone else asked me why they couldn't rip .mp3 files using their Vista laptop so that the files would play in his car's mp3 player. There are a number of possibilities here, the most likely of which is that the original audio CD had DRM protection ... it probably had a data track as well as audio tracks, and when that person tried to "rip" the audio tracks CD Vista likely honored the DRM and merely copied DRM'd .mp3 files from the data track instead.

It is also possible that this user also had produced DRM-encumbered .wma file where he thought he was ripping to .mp3 files ... and that Vista had hidden the file extensions from him so he did not realise that error. This person is reasonably competent, however, so I don't think this possibility is quite as likely.

Either way, the DRM provisions of Vista had still got in his way, and had frustrated him in his objective to rip .mp3 files that he could play in his car.

Two bona fide examples Thom ... just as was always claimed. No lie whatsoever.

Oh, BTW ... the original discussion actually turned up the fact that one CAN apply DRM to mp3 media files. A link was provided to a 2004 article where the owners of the mp3 patents had announced the ability to do so.

We got to those conclusions by the end of the discussion. Why are you trying to confuse the issue now?

And what on earth is this continued attempt at slandering me all about, Thom?

Edited 2009-02-19 11:42 UTC

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rockwell Member since:
2005-09-13

//Even though I don't use Vista, I knew through indirect experience of two occasions where end users had been frustrated by Vista handling off media files,//

That's because those end-users are fuxing idiots.

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